Life after death and Colin Butero's Heaven is Real

[~candice~]

I think some people are forgetting that his experience directly contradicts the Word. Ergo, it's false, the end. It's not cynicism, I have the right to call something false when it disagrees with the Word. It's been testing and found wanting so why does it still have any value? Why is a lie ok because a kid told it? If Beanie tells a lie and she is in huge trouble! But this kid tells a lie and we are supposed to be non judgmental, accepting, yadda yadda yadda? No way.

Test yes I agree.

But don't you think to some agree the world has also made us cynical?

Hey, even some of the churches we attend make us cynical. I am the first to admit there is a fine line to be drawn, and we must be careful not to fall ether side of it.

But I also know that the God I serve is capable of anything, and His signs, wonders and messages to us did not stop with the bible.

I mean how sad would it be if this were the case. The bible is the Word, yes, and it is truth yes.

But I believe there is more, much more, not yet revealed.

If the bible is the truth, why do you give any weight to an account that directly contradicts it? I will be cynical about everything that contradicts it and don't feel the slightest conviction about that.

If you have scripture to back this child's story, please post it.

Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

Jesus also said u must become like a little child to enter the kingdom of heaven.

I' ve seen the kid on TV he is a very lovable humble child. If the author of life Jesus Christ wisked him away and showed him his rainbow horse...so be it. That is something Jesus would do. Jesus is love and all the things the kid talked about were loving things. He saw has grandpa and his sister. Things Jesus would do. You might know a different Jesus then I know. Your Jesus might have a checklist of things that he can and cannot do. My Jesus can do whatever he likes and will do whatever he likes when ever he likes. This world is his and the universe is his.

If you take comfort and peace in calling the kid a liar and deciever. So be it. In the end Jesus is pretty harsh on the naysayers. Me personally I will stick with the kid and see where we all end up in the end. If he has that kind of favor with Jesus Christ I'm sure not going to say anything negative about him.

Ironically in the season the Jewish people were waiting and still waiting for Elijah to come back. Well Jesus said John the Baptist is Elijah. It is a spiritual thing. Most Jews don't accept that just, like end times most christians are not going to accept spiritual things. Look at the naysayers when a humble child says Jesus has a Rainbow Horse.

I guess we all have to ask ourselves which Jesus do we serve? I'm looking forward to seeing the Rainbow Horse and anything else Jesus wants to show me. And it doesn't have to be in the Bible. if there is a pink poke a dotted creature living on one of the stars I wouldn't mind taking a peak at it. Especially if I get to fly like superman.

You stick with the kid even though he contradicts the Word? That's scary. When God says all things are possible, it doesn't mean everything. God cannot lie, go against His Word. If this kid is proclaiming something different to the Word then the kid is wrong wrong wrong, and it's not possible for him to be right.

I guess this is shocking me into realising the low value people must have of the Word if they are so willing to accept a contradictory experience over it.

[~candice~]

i truely believe that unless possessed by demons all children are in jesus's likeness, and i believe there is a very good chance that jesus spoke to him and blessed him, and that all the what about's are beyond our own understanding, and i can assume that now at the age of 12 colton is probably being told to his face that he is a lie, and its sad, because when someone knows that they love god and and others who 'love god' try to tear his poor confused heart apart by telling him hes a lie, what kind of an effect will that have on his faith, and in the eye of god were dispicable for challenging wether or not a childs heartis in the ritplace. you all remind me of those who spit on jesus an called him a false prophet on his way to the cros as he cried to god theyknow not what they do. who are any of us to say that boy is not with christ, when he has only proclaimed his love forjsus, shame on all of you. my heart aches fo him, because no scholar of the bible can begin to understand what REAL truth is

Erin, there is a few things in here I wanted to address.

"i truely believe that unless possessed by demons all children are in jesus's likeness,"

Do you believe we are all born with the sin nature? Adam was made in the image of God. But Adam's son was made in the image of Adam. The sin nature has tainted us all, even children. My two year old tells lies, hides things she breaks, is greedy, selfish, disobedient etc etc. Don't think that just because he was a kid, he is innocent.

"what kind of an effect will that have on his faith"

What kind of effect does it have on his faith to tell him to value experience above the truth of the Word? Especially when it contradicts? Honest christianity follows the Word, tests all things, and it does value experience (taste and see that the Lord is good) but the latter does not excuse the former.

"you all remind me of those who spit on jesus an called him a false prophet on his way to the cros as he cried to god theyknow not what they do."

Well I don't think that is what is going on. All of us here love the Lord, and (hopefully) value His Word. When He says to test all things, we do that. I am not open minded to things that contradict His Word because it's one of the most valuable things we have. People can and do experience Jesus in ways the bible hasn't mentioned, but never in ways that contradicts it.

"who are any of us to say that boy is not with christ, when he has only proclaimed his love forjsus"

No one has said that the boy doesnt have faith or isn't saved, etc. He probably does love Jesus, but he did far more than proclaim his love for Jesus. He went on to proclaim non truths. Experiencing God is not in question here, just experiencing in ways that contradict the Word.

"shame on all of you."

I have a question for you - how do you feel about the passage in the Word that says to test all things, to judge with righteous judgment? Does it make you uneasy. There should be no shame for acting in accordance with how the bible dictates we act.

This really isn't a test about the boy's story. It's a test of what value we place on the Word in relation to experience. Which trumps which? These days, society has thrown out absolute truth and it's a real shame. The emergent church has jumped on it and now "anything goes" even if it is contradictory. I don't subscribe to this - I've learned valuable lessons about keeping the Word in my heart as His Word, valuing it above all things, and I can't let it go for stories like this one.

[Guest man]

I guess this is shocking me into realising the low value people must have of the Word if they are so willing to accept a contradictory experience over it.

These things used to surprize me. They don't anymore.

2 Timothy 4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

[Guest man]

If you have scripture to back this child's story, please post it.

Jesus looked at them and said,

[nebula]

"Everybody had wings except Jesus, He just hovered up and down".

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

This is harmful to anyone's faith . . . how?

Is this what "being like Jesus" is about to you?

Show me where it states that people in heaven have wings and we'll go from there.

You say this as if the Bible says everything there is to know about Heaven. John only saw the Throne room. What does the Bible say Heaven, it's inhabitants, the layout, etc. beyond the Throne room?

[nebula]

Why would Colton have wings when the risen Lord did not and the Bible says that only the Cherubim and Seraphim have wing the rest of the heavenly host do not?.

I know the Bible talks about Cherubim and Seraphim having wings, but where does it state that they only have wings?

[Guest man]

"Everybody had wings except Jesus, He just hovered up and down".

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

This is harmful to anyone's faith . . . how?

Is this what "being like Jesus" is about to you?

Show me where it states that people in heaven have wings and we'll go from there.

You say this as if the Bible says everything there is to know about Heaven. John only saw the Throne room. What does the Bible say Heaven, it's inhabitants, the layout, etc. beyond the Throne room?

The bible says everything we need to know about heaven. What else is there to know?

Is your desire to know so great that you're willing to accept whatever comes without question?

[nebula]

You say this as if the Bible says everything there is to know about Heaven. John only saw the Throne room. What does the Bible say Heaven, it's inhabitants, the layout, etc. beyond the Throne room?

The bible says everything we need to know about heaven. What else is there to know?

You say this as if God no longer speaks to His people.

Is your desire to know so great that you're willing to accept whatever comes without question?

When the questions deal with important matters. Our "physical" appearance is not an important matter.

[Guest man]

Is your desire to know so great that you're willing to accept whatever comes without question?

When the questions deal with important matters.

Really?

Without question?

Wow.

Our "physical" appearance is not an important matter.

It was important enough that God felt the need to mention it in His Word.

[nebula]

Is your desire to know so great that you're willing to accept whatever comes without question?

]When the questions deal with important matters.

Really?

Without question?

Wow.

I take it with a grain of salt, so to speak. Unless I can perceive a direct violation of what is written. And really, the way people interpret "what is written", I even take the questions with a grain of salt.

The questions you raise, to me, seem like making mountains out of molehills.

Our "physical" appearance is not an important matter.

It was important enough that God felt the need to mention it in His Word.

And I don't accept your interpretation of Scripture without question.