can a christian smoke...??

[irishcowboy]

I have come to the conclussion that those getting lung cancer from smoking are those smoking filtered cigarettes.....

of those I know that have smoked non-filtered, i have not seen any with lung cancer, seems like only those that smoke filtered.....

Red Fox, was 104 years old when they were airing reenactments of the battle of little big horn, where he was a scout for custer.... he was smoking thru the entire thing..... not hacking either....

my grandfather smoked nonfiltered.... he got cancer, but not of the lungs, but of the lymphnodes.....

people from differant cultures metabilize cigarette smoke differently...

some can smoke three and four packs aday and no ill effects.... others smoke 1/2 apack or less aday and have trouble all their lives.......

like Cyclomates, it was taken off the market cause it caused cancer, then they brought in sacrine.... which does cause cancer, where cyclomates they found was not as bad as sacrine... but, sacrine is what they kept....

eggs are bad for you...... way too much colesterol...... then another time some one says they are good for you.... and back and forth....

I think it has to with which industry you have stocks in as to what is bad and what isnt....

mike

[Work in Progress]

"Chick"???

Good thing I'm a Christian on a Christian board. Otherwise, I'd be tempted to tell ya what to do with your "Chick".

:x: :x:

[Guest marriedtomymaker]

WOW...this looks like it can be a pretty heated subject. :suspect:

I guess for someone who does not want to quite. you may be a little defensive.

I am very glad that we are not making into a salvation issue. For the most part it seems that most of us do not believe it is a sin. As it has no beneficial quality--other than will obviously make you sick- -I cannot imagine that God would want us to smoke. It is a bondage issue. It is habitual, not in any way beneficial. I am wondering if the ones who advocate smoking would want thier kids to smoke. I sure don't mine to smoke (why I am go to extreme measures to hide it from them) Again, I smoke 4-6 per day. I know NOW is the time to kick it in the butt with the Lords help.

Married :il:

[BobTriez]

Is this thread about smoking being a sin or whether or not it's harmful/second hand smoke being dangerous ?

I'm gonna put this in the Controversial Issues Forum...seems controversial to me

God bless,

Bob

[BobTriez]

My apologies to marriedtomymaker! By moving it to the Controversial Issues Forum you couldn't post in your own thread. So.....I moved it back to the General Discussion Forum.

Sorry about that. I'm having one of those kinda days today

God bless,

Bob

[Guest Called]

Sorry about that. I'm having one of those kinda days today

The purple is affecting your brain! Come to the Blue!

[BobTriez]

The purple is affecting your brain!

Something like that

Come to the Blue!

Right......

[Guest LadyC]

would i want my kids to smoke? no. why? because it's expensive, and getting more so everytime they pass a law putting another fifty cent tax on it, which seems to happen every year or two. when i started, i paid about 65 cents a pack, for the big brands. the average pack of marlboros now costs between 3.50-4.00. and we're on the cheaper end of the scale. in new york it runs around $8/pack.

so no, i hope my kids never pick up the habit. but if they do? well, the financial aspect is my primary complaint.

however, i've noticed something, and it's not by any means always the case, but it seems the vast majority of kids that grow up in smoking families never care to pick it up... although i've known a few who relied on mom and dad to buy them cigarettes when they'd pick up their own. i think my kids will fall into the never category. particularly my youngest daughter. she hates the smell. my oldest? she could care less... but it's just not her thing. too many other things she wants to blow her money on!

[dgolvach]

dgol, as i suggested, instead of quoting newsy articles that summarize studies with a great deal of spin, please look up the actual studies themselves and study the numbers

LadyC

I suppose anyone can get studies or news articles to back up their claims and that go's for me as well. I do know this. Smoking killed my Dad, Grandfather and 2 Uncles along with several Family Friends. I really don't need studies to tell me that smoking kills. There are graves that I visit that tell me so. As I said in an earlier post, I don't think you lose your salvation or cease to be a Christian because you smoke. As for weather or not it is a sin, I suppose you have to ask the question; is risking your health pleasing to God? I'm not sure really. If it is than I suppose it is just as deliberate and defiant as some of the things I do. Smoking dose not make you a bad person but it might make you a dead one. Ask any cancer specialist here at M.D. Anderson in Houston and they will all tell you that smoking causes lung cancer along with a number of other ailments. Most of the time, the victum is in their 50s or 60s when they discover that they were wrong all those years when they told themselves that smoking is not really a health risk.

[Guest LadyC]

dgol, you're right... smoking is absolutely a great health risk to the person smoking. somehow we got sidetracked about the effects of second-hand smoke though, and that's what i was driving at by trying to get people to read the research. ETS doesn't kill. there's no evidence to support it. there is evidence that it MAY cause a slight increase in risk for a non-smoker in other areas, though these studies are inconclusive.

yes, first hand smoke does create health problems and sometimes kills. not for every person that smokes, but in one way or another, it does effect their health eventually. so far the only adverse affect it has had on my health, after 25 years of smoking, is that i'm unable to run a marathon (and not sure i could have before!), and that my skin is always dehydrated. i'm very fortunate, and know i may not always be so lucky.

my biggest 'fear', if it is even a fear, is not cancer, though... it's emphysima (however you spell that.) i can't imagine anything as horrible as emphysima.