hell is for the sin, not the sinner

[Gods_girl111]

in my understanding, no spirit goes to hell, only the sin or evilness that lives in us.

if God created us for Him and is full of mercy and grace, i cannot fathom that He would send anyone of us to hell. especially if He controls everything and could make all unbelievers believe.

i know that repentance is part of believing in God, but who can say they have repented of all sin to be worthy to stand before God. if someone claims to know God and still sins can get into Heaven, then someone who sins without knowing its sin shouldnt have to go to hell.

my uncle has a hard time understanding heaven and hell. he gave me this example.. if there were two people standing before God on judgment day, one a little old lady who did not believe in God, the other a middle aged man who did believe in God, the man would get into Heaven and the old lady would go to hell. the man, who was a drug addict, spent half of his life in prison for raping numerous women and killing numerous people, and although he claimed to know Christ, He was just as bad in prison. and the little old lady spent her life volunteering in the community, being kind to everyone she met, fed the homeless, and never touched a cigarette or any drug in her life.

why on earth would this man get into heaven and this lady not, just because he says he believes in God? he did not portray Christ in any fashion, and this lady was almost the spitting image of Christ.

i know we dont get into Heaven by works but by faith. but for me, i didnt believe in God until 2 and half years ago, and still wouldnt had He not revealed Himself to me. i know for a fact that He tried revealing Himself to me numerous time before i started believing, but i didnt recognize Him. the man in my example either said he believed in God just so he could go to Heaven, or God revealed Himself to him. but for this little old lady theres no reason she shouldnt believe in God other than He didnt reveal Himself to her in a way that she would have known it was Him.

ive heard that God knows everyones heart, despite their words on confessing whether or not they are believers.. with that thought, our heart and spirit come from Him and are created in His image. so why would anyone go to hell?

now just because i believe we all go to Heaven doesnt mean i think we should all go about our days living in sin. for us who do believe, i think we need to set an example for the unbelievers. first and foremost an example of love, secondly an example with our actions. we could go about our days not gossiping, doing drugs, getting drunk, sleeping around, etc. but an unbeliever would probably say that we're just missing out on a lot of fun. i think our most important goal in this life is to spread Gods love so that others can see God in us and come to know Him and live this miserable life loved, knowing peace and having a relationship with God and know that something better is waiting for us.

[Saved2Serve]

God sends no one to Hell. We, in all actuality, send ourselves to Hell.

Ref. to 2 Thess. 2:1-12

Edited June 15, 2011 by Saved2Serve

[ayin jade]

Im sorry, but that does not line up with scripture. Jesus is clear that only those who believe in Him are saved. The rest die lost in sin.

All of us stand condemned by our sins. Belief in Jesus as the atonement for our sin is the only way we are saved.

[Gods_girl111]

saved2serve - i know that we make our choices, i say "God sends us" in reference to Him making the final decision.

ayinjade - i know it doesnt say that in the bible, but does it say our fate is determined on whether or not we SAY we believe? im pretty sure ive heard numerous times that God knows our hearts and decides based on what only He sees.

Edited June 15, 2011 by Gods_girl111

[Saved2Serve]

saved2serve - i know that we make our choices, i say "God sends us" in reference to Him making the final decision.

ayinjade - i know it doesnt say that in the bible, but does it say our fate is determined on whether or not we SAY we believe? im pretty sure ive heard numerous times that God knows our hearts and decides based on what only He sees.

Ok Gods_girl, i understand.

Verbal "faith" is insufficient. We must not only SAY it, but we must also mean it - mean it to the point in where we repent (turn from serving sin; pursuing our lusts) and allow Him to claim us as children.

[Gods_girl111]

but no one fully repents.. the only person to repent/never sin is Jesus. He made a way for us to be with God by pleading our case because He lived a life in our shoes and knows our troubles.

[Saved2Serve]

I'm not sure what you mean by "fully repents."

And - I do not believe Jesus repented of anything.

[ayin jade]

ayinjade - i know it doesnt say that in the bible, but does it say our fate is determined on whether or not we SAY we believe? im pretty sure ive heard numerous times that God knows our hearts and decides based on what only He sees.

He knows their hearts, He knows if they believe, so there are some who will go to hell.

Romans 10

9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.

10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation.

11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone believing on Him shall not be put to shame."

John 3

18 He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.

John 8

24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins.

Ephesians 1

13 in whom also you, hearing the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation, in whom also believing, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

14 who is the earnest of our inheritance, to the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

[Gods_girl111]

i dont know how yall add the post your replying to..

saved2serve - i mean fully repent by completely stopping whatever sin it is that we do. we could go our whole lives saying that we repent of something that we struggle with at the end of every day and the next day start doing it again. i know that to re-pent means "pent" over again, but how many times can someone REpent?

when i said "the only person to repent/never sin is Jesus." i added the "never sin" as well, not indicating that Jesus ever did sin. just making an observation.

[ayin jade]

i dont know how yall add the post your replying to..

Click the reply button on the post you want to quote.