What Jesus Said About Who He Is

[Nakosis]

Nakosis

Are you sure? You speak for every Christian? You know for a fact that every Christian speaks from experience? Think about this. Do not lie.

You need to read my post again because I already answered this question. I find it very offensive that you tell me "do not lie" - as if I've already lied. My previous post stands as written - read it. The proper adjectives and qualifiers are already given. Another post like this one and I'll ignore your posts.

Ok, well I find it offensive when people imply they speak for anyone other then themselves. So please feel free to put me on ignore.

[Nakosis]

Wrong, the central focus is on Jesus Christ, not us or other men.

Sorry you don't get to decide my focus.

Again feel free to ignore my posts as you've pretty much been ignoring the content of them anyway.

[Nakosis]

Thank You Dear One

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10

Certainly not me.

I Have Thought About It And Prayed About It And I Can Not Lie

When I said don't lie I meant don't lie to yourself. Some like to think they have more importance then they actually do. Kind of a vanity. Kind of an important obligation one should have to themselves, not to lie to themselves. At least I think so.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23

For Without Jesus We Are Just Dead Men Walking

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

But With Active Faith In The LORD Jesus

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10

Because Of With His Holy Blood

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

We Will Never Perish

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

But We Will Live

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3

For All Eternity

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name" John 1:12

With His Holy Father

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

And We Will Carry His Holy Name

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

Because He Died For Us, We Can Call Upon Him

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13

And Because He Calls To Us, We Can Let Him In And Fellowship With Him

"Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20

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Dear One Are You Ready To Believe In Jesus The Messiah?

"For he says "In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation." 2 Corinthians 6:2

Yet.......

"The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:35-36

Believe And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

I'd be happy to know the truth about things but I'm not looking for eternal life. I'm happy with this life, friendship, love. I get to help people. I enjoy the struggle of life, being able to overcome problems. Life is good, I enjoy what I have now. It's enough.

[Nakosis]

That is not really accurate. The Christian faith/idealogy is founded on the resurection of Jesus.

That belief is not based on an interpretation of the gospels? If not then what is the source of your belief?

Even that interpretation is varied among the different Christian denominations.

Not really. I am not sure what you are basing that on.

Speaking with other Christians. You get two or more Christians together and they certainly can have a heck of an argument about the correct interpretation of the Bible. Usually ends up with them accusing each other of not being a real Christian.

That we have diversity speaks to the fact that no one is being brainwashed or forced to believe against their will or against their conscience. There is a freedom to be diverse.

Didn't think you were. When I teach somebody something it's to give them tools so they can determine the truth of the matter for themselves. I'm always a little disappointed when people take me at my word. When people can determine what is true then it's just there to accept. There's nothing to argue about. Nothing to doubt or have faith in. However some people would still choose to lie to themselves then accept the truth.

The Bible says that we see through a glass darkly. We see in part and thus we know in part. None of us corner the market on the Bible. 90% of what we disagree about pertains to traditions and minor points of interpretation. But we stand united over the essential doctrines like the Deity of Jesus, the resurrection of Christ, the Holy Spirit, the authority of the Scriptures

That's not true. But those that would disagree you'd likely see as not true Christians. I mean right or wrong? The only true Christians are those that agree with you on these points?

Specifically what beliefs are you referring to?

Well like the deity of Jesus. There are many who claim to be Christian who don't agree.

[Fez]

shiloh357, on 31 July 2011 - 01:08 PM, said:

That is not really accurate. The Christian faith/idealogy is founded on the resurection of Jesus.

That belief is not based on an interpretation of the gospels? If not then what is the source of your belief?

Faith.

[other one]

I'd be happy to know the truth about things but I'm not looking for eternal life. I'm happy with this life, friendship, love. I get to help people. I enjoy the struggle of life, being able to overcome problems. Life is good, I enjoy what I have now. It's enough.

That is so sad..... an eternal life and a personal relationship with the creator of the universe is at your fingertips....... and you don't care... how sad.

[nebula]

I've beenn ignored again.

Repeat:

If you test something and decide for yourself, what happens with faith?

I believe you have a misunderstanding of what the word "faith" means.

You can research this yourself if you would like, but the Hebrew and Greek words which are translated into English as faith means "trust" (in Hebrew it has the added emphasis of "strong trust" and in Greek that of "persuasion, confidence").

All you've done with testing is confirming what or whom you have put faith in. No biggie.

Faith is necessitated by ignorance.

Whoever gave you this idea was seriously in error.

In the Bible Jesus healed the sick, brought the dead back to life. If you could do that, hey that'd be very convincing in my book.

If I pointed out testimonies to you of such happening, would you believe they actually happened?

[Nakosis]

I've beenn ignored again.

Sorry, don't feel ignored. I actually read your post and was taking time to consider a reply.

Repeat:

If you test something and decide for yourself, what happens with faith?

I believe you have a misunderstanding of what the word "faith" means.

You can research this yourself if you would like, but the Hebrew and Greek words which are translated into English as faith means "trust" (in Hebrew it has the added emphasis of "strong trust" and in Greek that of "persuasion, confidence").

All you've done with testing is confirming what or whom you have put faith in. No biggie.

I actually agree with you here, as I pointed out in others posts conviction seems a better understanding of what is meant by faith.

Faith is necessitated by ignorance.

Whoever gave you this idea was seriously in error.

Well there is a balance between knowledge and ignorance. If you know something for yourself then it's not a matter of trusting someone else. However if you are ignorant about a subject then you have to trust what someone else claims is true. Like the word pistis(faith). I'm not a language expert. So we both went to an expert who has knowledge on the subject. If I was not ignorant about these things I wouldn't need to trust the experts.

If I pointed out testimonies to you of such happening, would you believe they actually happened?

I'm kind of neutral here. What do I know... I wasn't there, I didn't see what they saw. I'm ignorant of what actually occurred. It'd depend on how well I knew the person. If a number of people who I knew, who I had cause to trust made such a claim, I'd have stronger trust, more conviction in that claim.

[Nakosis]

I'd be happy to know the truth about things but I'm not looking for eternal life. I'm happy with this life, friendship, love. I get to help people. I enjoy the struggle of life, being able to overcome problems. Life is good, I enjoy what I have now. It's enough.

That is so sad..... an eternal life and a personal relationship with the creator of the universe is at your fingertips....... and you don't care... how sad.

Why? I'm getting what I want and you are hopefully getting what you want. What is there to be sad about?

Edited August 2, 2011 by Nakosis

[Nakosis]

shiloh357, on 31 July 2011 - 01:08 PM, said:

That is not really accurate. The Christian faith/idealogy is founded on the resurection of Jesus.

That belief is not based on an interpretation of the gospels? If not then what is the source of your belief?

Faith.

Yes, you have reason to trust strongly the claims of others.

All I'm saying is if you have personal knowledge, personal experience with these things, you wouldn't need faith.

I'm not even saying you shouldn't have faith. It's your choice where you place your faith. I'm just pointing out why faith is needed.

It's what we don't know. Our ignorance which makes faith necessary.