So what!

[noobie]

I have no idea what part of the USA you are from but persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another group. Making a claim stating "You are not persecuted in the USA or any western democracy" is speaking for all Christians all over the USA from your own personal opinion and is the same issue you are having with the original claim the OP was about. Also when I used the word "defending" it was not necessarily for the OP more than to ask unbelievers for a since of understanding of what we as Christians have to go through everyday.

[UndecidedFrog]

I have no idea what part of the USA you are from but persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another group. Making a claim stating "You are not persecuted in the USA or any western democracy" is speaking for all Christians all over the USA from your own personal opinion and is the same issue you are having with the original claim the OP was about. Also when I used the word "defending" it was not necessarily for the OP more than to ask unbelievers for a since of understanding of what we as Christians have to go through everyday.

So what systematic mistreatment of christians can you point to?

Do the following examples count?:

1) Christians fail in their attempts to insert Intelligent Design into public school science curriculum (Kitzmiller v. Dover ASD)?

2) Abortion doctor murderer being sentenced to life imprisonment?

3) Gay marriage being approved by certain states?

I have not read any news about christians being systematically mistreated in western democracies.

This is the thread that was started by the OP. I am responding to the OP. The OP is not defending christianity. The OP is attacking non-believers and claiming them to be blind and naive. I am defending non-believers from someone who claims to be a christian.

Regards,

UF

[noobie]

You are defending nonbelievers on a Christian website. That's like going to a Country all you can eat buffet slamming your plate down screaming you wanted Chinese. If you wanted Chinese then go to a Chinese Buffet. Fact is that you are indeed at a Country Buffet so why don't you grab a plate and sit down and eat and observe? There are however topics properly labeled for such debate as I posted earlier. If this was called "Worthy Unbelievers Forums" then I would do the same. Going to the site just to defend my beliefs as you say would fall under the category of trolling. God Bless

[mjrhealth]

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Mat_23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Mar_2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Isnt it strange, That Jesus should eat with sinners and publicans and then be accused by the religious for having a devil. Yet all these where directed at the religious not the unbeliever. Jesus came to save the lost, but if you already believe you are saved then He cant help you. The pharisees thought that with all there religious laws and duties and scripture that they had it all, but Christ continually pointed out the fact that they had nothing. Saul was a perfect example of religions ways. Yet you claim to be persecuted, you do not understand, its the church that man calls church that will be persecuting the Lords church, the Bride, because like before the religious will believe they are doing God a favour. If you do not have the evidence of God in you, then why should they listen.

Keep searching UF but as I said before, if you really desire to know that God is real. Then talk to Him, it is very hard to find the evidence in christians,

In His Love

[UndecidedFrog]

You are defending nonbelievers on a Christian website. That's like going to a Country all you can eat buffet slamming your plate down screaming you wanted Chinese. If you wanted Chinese then go to a Chinese Buffet. Fact is that you are indeed at a Country Buffet so why don't you grab a plate and sit down and eat and observe? There are however topics properly labeled for such debate as I posted earlier. If this was called "Worthy Unbelievers Forums" then I would do the same. Going to the site just to defend my beliefs as you say would fall under the category of trolling. God Bless

Are nonsensical insults and attacks limited to one kind of buffet?

Does injustice only occur in one kind of buffet?

This is the outer court, where the administrators of worthy have permitted non-believer input. The OP entitled this thread "So what! For you who doesn't [sic] believe in God". The OP addresses this thread directly to non-believers right there in the title.

I am at the correct buffet. Thanks for your concern.

Regards,

UF

[MorningGlory]

You are defending nonbelievers on a Christian website. That's like going to a Country all you can eat buffet slamming your plate down screaming you wanted Chinese. If you wanted Chinese then go to a Chinese Buffet. Fact is that you are indeed at a Country Buffet so why don't you grab a plate and sit down and eat and observe? There are however topics properly labeled for such debate as I posted earlier. If this was called "Worthy Unbelievers Forums" then I would do the same. Going to the site just to defend my beliefs as you say would fall under the category of trolling. God Bless

Are nonsensical insults and attacks limited to one kind of buffet?

Does injustice only occur in one kind of buffet?

This is the outer court, where the administrators of worthy have permitted non-believer input. The OP entitled this thread "So what! For you who doesn't [sic] believe in God". The OP addresses this thread directly to non-believers right there in the title.

I am at the correct buffet. Thanks for your concern.

Regards,

UF

If you truly do not believe, UF, why waste your time here? Shouldn't you be off living in nonbelieverville where you don't have to read posts about God?

[UndecidedFrog]

Keep searching UF but as I said before, if you really desire to know that God is real. Then talk to Him, it is very hard to find the evidence in christians,

Hi mjrhealth,

These are but a few more examples of christian behavior that I shall input into my database.

I have tried talking to your god. He has yet to answer me.

People have told me that I can find the evidence that supports the existence of god by looking at the *fruit* of christians. How else can I determine if this fruit is as rotten as I find elsewhere unless I interact with them?

Regards,

UF

[UndecidedFrog]

If you truly do not believe, UF, why waste your time here? Shouldn't you be off living in nonbelieverville where you don't have to read posts about God?

Hi MorningGlory,

Yes, I truly do not believe in god/s. I spend my time here because I enjoy reading about what christians say, to each other, as well as to non-believers, like me. I enjoy reading about their various views on things.

Where I live is irrelevant to what I read.

I also enjoy interacting with some believers who are kind and considerate. I enjoy comparing these behaviors against other behaviors that are also claimed as "christian" behavior.

I like to observe how christians claim certain things and then watch how they behave. I have learned that although someone may claim something, their true belief is actually demonstrated by their actions and inactions. I am a student of human behavior. How about you?

Regards,

UF

[Shiloh62]

I have often heard conversations between Christians (like me) and those who don't believe in God. I have personally tried to convince some of them by telling them that there is a God but most of the time they end up not believing what you have to say.

-Please do note that i speak as a man-

But i have realized that he that says there is no God is either blind or naive, because merely looking around your environment you would realize that their is obviously someone in charge... some of them even go to the extent of saying they need a personal encounter with this God before they believe - i actually laugh at that sometime - because as God is love he is also a consuming fire... there are millions of people in this world who believe in God and thousands of them only get the opportunity to a personal and up-close encounter with God, thousands are still longing for this encounter and thousands would probably not ever have such encounter (and they would still keep on believing) now what would give you the impression that if you don't believe in God it would affect Him in any way? What makes you think you are so special to the extent that he would spend a minute with you just to convince you that he is God? The truth is he doesn't have to prove himself as God, he was, is and will forever be God. Amen

As a matter of fact it is a privilege to serve God. Serving God is for our own good.

God loves you, he wants you, he wants to be your God, he wants to be a friend, he wants to be your father and he wants to be your all. This is the grace period, don't let grace run out on you!

amen xyluz, I agree. What tthey don't realize is that they also have a personal encounter with God everyday. All they have to do is look aroundthem at what He created, and look at the people that reflect His son Jesus. Its kind of like the story of the man on the rooftop that asks God to send him help, and eventually drowns, not recognizing the help God sent.

[noobie]

Reply @ mjrhealth

Jesus never said though if he was eating with believers and a unbeliever runs into the room and interrupts the dinner dancing on the table kicking the food into the floor how he would act. This is not the same incidence as you speak and I never said UF couldn't sit at my table just ask that he keep his comments where they need to be. UF has been a member since August 04.. If he hasn't made up his mind by now then he wont anytime soon.

Reply @ UF

You said "This is the outer court, where the administrators of worthy have permitted non-believer input."

Fact is it was moved to outer court and your original few trolling post made by you was made in "Worthy Welcome"

I never intended to upset you just getting to a point of asking you to keep it where it belongs and not debate the new members like the TC.