War of the Words

[seraph]

Just read this thread today... music, psychologists and subliminals oh my ... I think we can reconcile all these topics into one... we can search for evil subliminal messages in the song "Frontier Psychiatrists" by The Avanlanches.

*snip* You do know what the term "rock and roll" means?  If not it means "Having sex in the back seet of a car."(Alan Freed 1951)  So how could any christian associate themselves with this filth.  Don't let your pride, (statement above) go before a fall. *snip*

LT

I had heard that sometime back... had no idea, lol. Anyway... just cuz this guy applies the title of "rock and roll" with that meaning to a particular style of music does not mean that style of music is evil, imho.

Some complain about "contemporary" music... well the Psalms David were singing was contemporary at the time. The hymns Luther wrote were "CCM" at the time. And the music that is getting complained about now will one day be "oldies." (BTW... anyone hear that the music to Luther's "A Mighty Fortress is Our God" was a melody he had taken from a secular German song- maybe even a drinking song? Can anyone help me on verifying that? I've searched and all I found that he certainly is given credit for writing the lyrics, as for the music, it may have been a popular secular melody. Tyia for any info.)

Personally, I do not believe a particular genre of music in and of itself is evil

[Kabowd]

To the last two posts...

[apothanein kerdos]

SJ

Time and time again in the Bible Satan approaches the front door and is never hidden in any message.

You have never answered the question about this statement. Chapter and verse please. You say "time and again" It must be happening all over. You can surely site several verses. Job didn't know what was going on. It was completely hidden from him. Jesus said that the thief does not come in by the door. You refuse to acknowledge any of this. It must be concluded that you cannot answer.

LT

Larry, I did respond to this and showed how your verses work for my defense on this issue. We are pointed out Satan's craftiness so we can recognize him when it is him. The problem with back-masking is that no one can hear it or recognize it unless they play it backwards thus making it a non-effective piece for Satan to use. When Satan "decieves" and is "subtle", it isn't him backmasking lies behind the truth. It is him mixing lies with the truth. You will never hear a person preach the Gospel yet there is Satanic back-masking occuring. Why? Even Satan knows that it is limited. Thankfully, Satan is somewhat limited in what he can do to humans. Read Job, he can only to to humans what God allows him to. Again, none of your scriptures substantiate backmasking because the only people who hear it in the songs are those who play it backwards and listen for them. Even the article you supplied and put your support behind states that backmasking isn't real.

Thus, Larry, you've lost the debate You've brought your entire arguement down to one question (can Satan hide in back masking or not) and it has been proven wrong time and time again. I've shown you how your scriptures do not work to support your stance, and you've rested your entire case upon this point. The examples and articles you supplied failed you and so did the logic, now we're down to this.

Oh, and one other thing, expirience has absolutely nothing to do with this topic

[rejoicevermore]

Ro 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

[Kabowd]

Ro 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

What are you implying?

[Kabowd]

I'm trying to understand what any of this has to do with lyrics to Christian Hardcore music.... 

Tess,

That's "these groups were masquerading as Christian hard rock bands." Not hardcore.

LT

Who are you talking about?

[larryt]

SJ

Time and time again in the Bible Satan approaches the front door and is never hidden in any message.

You have never answered the question about this statement. Chapter and verse please. You say "time and again" It must be happening all over. You can surely site several verses. Job didn't know what was going on. It was completely hidden from him. Jesus said that the thief does not come in by the door. You refuse to acknowledge any of this. It must be concluded that you cannot answer.

LT

Larry, I did respond to this and showed how your verses work for my defense on this issue. We are pointed out Satan's craftiness so we can recognize him when it is him. The problem with back-masking is that no one can hear it or recognize it unless they play it backwards thus making it a non-effective piece for Satan to use. When Satan "decieves" and is "subtle", it isn't him backmasking lies behind the truth. It is him mixing lies with the truth. You will never hear a person preach the Gospel yet there is Satanic back-masking occuring. Why? Even Satan knows that it is limited. Thankfully, Satan is somewhat limited in what he can do to humans. Read Job, he can only to to humans what God allows him to. Again, none of your scriptures substantiate backmasking because the only people who hear it in the songs are those who play it backwards and listen for them. Even the article you supplied and put your support behind states that backmasking isn't real.

Thus, Larry, you've lost the debate You've brought your entire arguement down to one question (can Satan hide in back masking or not) and it has been proven wrong time and time again. I've shown you how your scriptures do not work to support your stance, and you've rested your entire case upon this point. The examples and articles you supplied failed you and so did the logic, now we're down to this.

Oh, and one other thing, expirience has absolutely nothing to do with this topic

Joel,

This is not a matter of winning or losing a debate. If you underestimate the enemy on the battle field you will find yourself in a bad place. You stated "time and time again in the Bible Satan approaches the front door and is never hidden in any message." I fail to see where you get this idea from. You have not shown any scriptures that support this statement in this thread.

I stated that he never comes to the front door, his message is alway subtle(working or spreading in a hidden and usually injurious way - a SUBTLE poison). Psychologists have no idea how the soul(mind, will, emotion) really works. Your mind can do things you or anybody hasn't even thought of yet. The secular world thinks we use 10% of our minds capabilities. Adam named ALL the animals and probably remembered them ALL. To say that we cannot perseive the "back masking" denies the possibility of those capabilities that have deminished because of the fall.

If you persist in this type of thinking, I hope God is merciful and keeps you from "being blindsided" as I stated ealier.

Jas 4:6  But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

LT

[apothanein kerdos]

This is not a matter of winning or losing a debate. If you underestimate the enemy on the battle field you will find yourself in a bad place. You stated "time and time again in the Bible Satan approaches the front door and is never hidden in any message." I fail to see where you get this idea from. You have not shown any scriptures that support this statement in this thread.

You're failing to look at the context of the quote within the debate. What I was stating is that when Satan decides to show himself, it's always truth mixed with lies. Or it's a message that we can all hear or see. The fact is, it's still discernable to the open ear or eye.We can still see it. With Back-masking it's hidden to the point that only those who can play a cd backwards and know what to listen for are able to hear it or understand it.

I stated that he never comes to the front door, his message is alway subtle(working or spreading in a hidden and usually injurious way - a SUBTLE poison). Psychologists have no idea how the soul(mind, will, emotion) really works. Your mind can do things you or anybody hasn't even thought of yet. The secular world thinks we use 10% of our minds capabilities. Adam named ALL the animals and probably remembered them ALL. To say that we cannot perseive the "back masking" denies the possibility of those capabilities that have deminished because of the fall.

Larry, it's been proven through countless studies that it DOES NOT WORK. You can hypothesize and say, "oh, but Satan will make it work". It is proven that he hasn't used it.

[Kabowd]

larry can you tell me which Christian bands you were saying are "masquerading"?

[larryt]

larry can you tell me which Christian bands you were saying are "masquerading"?

Hi Tess,

I was not refering to any bands in particular. The original post on this thread had the term "posing as Christian hard rock bands" and you said something about "Christian hardcore". I had never heard the this term before.

LT