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In His Time

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:9-10

In His Time

Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:47

He Will Make Everything Beautiful In His Time

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:1-3

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KatyAnn's pictures shows the limits of humans.

Not at all. This is a fantastic example of ancient construction but it's not close to some other ancient sites that have mind boggling knowledge incorporated into them

I believe that the ruins are quite mind boggling.

At the Mayan ruins of Dzibilchaltún we see a superb example of the understanding of astronomy possessed by the ancient Maya. Dzibilchaltún has a structure that is unique in the Maya world because the top platform has an unobstructed view of all points east to west. Twice a year, on the Equinox, the rising sun shines through the portal in the Temple of the Seven Dolls, showing us how they incorporated this understanding into their architecture. This has become an international event attended by many people from around the world.

http://www.mayasites.com/dzibilch.html

Dear sister I didn't mean to blow off what you posted. I apologize if what I said hit you wrong I think the Mayans did incredible things as well, I just had my preference to what I thought incorporated a more profound ancient knowledge of the astronomical and mathematical aspects. The shafts you mentioned are amazing as well, just like the ones in the great pyramid and other sites on Earth have. It's amazing how all the ancient cultures had this important need to include this certain aspect into their pyramids/temples/architecture.

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Shalom, mead.

KatyAnn's pictures shows the limits of humans.

Not at all. This is a fantastic example of ancient construction but it's not close to some other ancient sites that have mind boggling knowledge incorporated into them

Like the Pantheon in Rome. That still has engineers scratching their heads. It shows a very advanced knowldge of engineering and physics. Kinda deflates our modern ego as if people who lived in ancient times didnt know anything. The Romans were quite advanced even by our standards today.

True. The Romans accomplished fantastic things. I have stated before I believe the people of ancient times were far more intelligent with the knowledge they had developed or been given. In the early ninties I started studying the Egyptians and anything "out of the box", man they were way out there in terms of uncanny knowledge. I think of the Pyramids, the biggest of course being the enigma, though the entire plateau is an exact representation of the system of Sirius. There are so many anomalies to the great pyramid that it makes ya wonder how they knew some of these things despite the fact that every noted mainstream archaeologist will not even go in to depth about the symbolism and mysteries that are swarming around Egypt. These things are still incorporated into many of the things around us today (the obelisk in our nations capital is just one example). This link http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistory/Egypt/GreatPyramid/interestingfacts.htm (yeah I am too lazy to type out what I have learned,lol) shows most of the profound knowledge they had to incorporate into this monument. This was the first link I found concerning these but there are many others that state the same.

I hope you don't mind my "putting in my two cents' worth." This is one of the reasons why I choose to believe in Creation over Evolution. As a human race, we are DEVOLVING, not evolving! Adam was created a perfect man. He had no flaws and he had not sinned, as yet. His mind was brilliant enough to come up with a naming convention for all the animals that God paraded before Him on Day 6. Even after he and his better half (literally) had sinned, they were still more beautiful and complete than any of their children; they had the ORIGINAL genetic structure for the human race! They were made in the image of God, in God's likeness! Now, imagine what such a person could accomplish in 950 years! According to the lineage of Genesis 5, he was still alive until Noach's father, Lamekh, was 56! That means that He lived to see his great, great, great, great, great, great grandson! Remember the saying, "Two heads are better than one"? Now, think about all these people interacting and sharing information and using their collective intelligence! As many as 9 generations living simultaneously could produce quite an advanced society!

I have read von Daniken's book, Chariots of the Gods?, and I don't think he was that far off. Some of his evidence could have indeed been from an advanced civilization, not from outer space, but from RIGHT HERE! The antediluvian world probably had science advances that we don't have today. There are writings from the Cadi el-Galil Abu Abd Allah Mohammed ben Salamat el-Qodai , which claim that Chanokh (Enoch) was the one to design and build the Great Pyramid as a storehouse to preserve their information and equipment through the Flood. He had been forewarned by Adam, who prophesied that there would be two great catastrophes, the first of water and the second of fire. I first read all this from a book entitled The Mysteries of the Great Pyramids by Mr. A. Pochan. You can also find out some of this from the site http://www.forosmp.com.ar/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=633. This site is in Spanish; so, you may need to have Google or Bing translate it for you.

Von Daniken had found evidence of a dry cell battery, and a "bird" that looked more like a fighter jet! He found evidence of lenses made of crystal, and all of these discoveries are dated as thousands of years old! Of course, I don't agree with his conclusions, but I do believe we have to consider the possibility that the society before the Flood was much more technologically advanced than we give them credit!

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Shalom, mead.

KatyAnn's pictures shows the limits of humans.

Not at all. This is a fantastic example of ancient construction but it's not close to some other ancient sites that have mind boggling knowledge incorporated into them

Like the Pantheon in Rome. That still has engineers scratching their heads. It shows a very advanced knowldge of engineering and physics. Kinda deflates our modern ego as if people who lived in ancient times didnt know anything. The Romans were quite advanced even by our standards today.

True. The Romans accomplished fantastic things. I have stated before I believe the people of ancient times were far more intelligent with the knowledge they had developed or been given. In the early ninties I started studying the Egyptians and anything "out of the box", man they were way out there in terms of uncanny knowledge. I think of the Pyramids, the biggest of course being the enigma, though the entire plateau is an exact representation of the system of Sirius. There are so many anomalies to the great pyramid that it makes ya wonder how they knew some of these things despite the fact that every noted mainstream archaeologist will not even go in to depth about the symbolism and mysteries that are swarming around Egypt. These things are still incorporated into many of the things around us today (the obelisk in our nations capital is just one example). This link http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistory/Egypt/GreatPyramid/interestingfacts.htm (yeah I am too lazy to type out what I have learned,lol) shows most of the profound knowledge they had to incorporate into this monument. This was the first link I found concerning these but there are many others that state the same.

I hope you don't mind my "putting in my two cents' worth." This is one of the reasons why I choose to believe in Creation over Evolution. As a human race, we are DEVOLVING, not evolving! Adam was created a perfect man. He had no flaws and he had not sinned, as yet. His mind was brilliant enough to come up with a naming convention for all the animals that God paraded before Him on Day 6. Even after he and his better half (literally) had sinned, they were still more beautiful and complete than any of their children; they had the ORIGINAL genetic structure for the human race! They were made in the image of God, in God's likeness! Now, imagine what such a person could accomplish in 950 years! According to the lineage of Genesis 5, he was still alive until Noach's father, Lamekh, was 56! That means that He lived to see his great, great, great, great, great, great grandson! Remember the saying, "Two heads are better than one"? Now, think about all these people interacting and sharing information and using their collective intelligence! As many as 9 generations living simultaneously could produce quite an advanced society!

I have read von Daniken's book, Chariots of the Gods?, and I don't think he was that far off. Some of his evidence could have indeed been from an advanced civilization, not from outer space, but from RIGHT HERE! The antediluvian world probably had science advances that we don't have today. There are writings from the Cadi el-Galil Abu Abd Allah Mohammed ben Salamat el-Qodai , which claim that Chanokh (Enoch) was the one to design and build the Great Pyramid as a storehouse to preserve their information and equipment through the Flood. He had been forewarned by Adam, who prophesied that there would be two great catastrophes, the first of water and the second of fire. I first read all this from a book entitled The Mysteries of the Great Pyramids by Mr. A. Pochan. You can also find out some of this from the site http://www.forosmp.com.ar/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=633. This site is in Spanish; so, you may need to have Google or Bing translate it for you.

Von Daniken had found evidence of a dry cell battery, and a "bird" that looked more like a fighter jet! He found evidence of lenses made of crystal, and all of these discoveries are dated as thousands of years old! Of course, I don't agree with his conclusions, but I do believe we have to consider the possibility that the society before the Flood was much more technologically advanced than we give them credit!

I don't mind at all about you hopping in. I have a had a love for these things ever since I was kid and used to watch In Search Of. I have wondered as much before about Adam and Eve (started a topic about it but man did that train sail,lol) and the others you mentioned over the years in the respect you mentioned them. I also agree that whatever knowledge the pre flood/Antidiluvian world had was profound and it came from either their own minds, the Lord or even demons/spirits in some cases (not aliens). Your reference to the battery (known as the Baghdad battery) is pretty cool as well but I haven't been able over the years to find any comparable discovery involving electricity. I also believe the great pyramid was built to house knowledge, but as I have stated before in other posts I can only speculate as to what. I think that when the flood came the entire Earth was in massive upheavel, maybe continental drift took place, maybe pole reversal and a monstrous amount of knowledge was either erased completely or covered by who knows what. The library of Alexandria going up in flames didn't help us any either (man what a tragic loss that was). Compared to what we know now about "modern" history we only truly have bits and fragments about the ancient past. There are many cases all over the world in which knowledge is shown through writings and their architecture that don't even come close to lining up with what you see the same ol people on tv telling us. Weird how almost all these ancient structures were pyramid in their designs (got theories for that one too). Take the ruins at Puma Punku for just one example, the craftsmanship in the stones is uncanny (the designs they cut into the stones and the lines cut with consistent precision depth, width and length). Some of the stones are diorite, a hardness rank of 7 or more, they would have had to use diamond tipped tools to cut these things. But on tv, all I have ever seen over the years mentioned by mainstream folks is that these people (Aymara) did this with primitive tools compared to what we would have to use today. It's sad that we can only speculate about most of it all, but it's fun to discuss such things

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I think of the Pyramids, the biggest of course being the enigma, though the entire plateau is an exact representation of the system of Sirius.

Really? How did you discover this?

And any ideas why they would represent that?

(By "system of Syrius" do you mean the constellation Canis major?)

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I think of the Pyramids, the biggest of course being the enigma, though the entire plateau is an exact representation of the system of Sirius.

Really? How did you discover this?

And any ideas why they would represent that?

(By "system of Syrius" do you mean the constellation Canis major?)

I apologize Nebula, my thoughts got away from me for a sec on the last part of that statement. It was the three constellation of Orions belt they aligned with. The northern shaft in the King's Chamber (32 deg, 28 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Alpha Draconis, circa 2450 B.C. The southern shaft in the Queen's Chamber (39 deg, 30 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Sirius, circa 2450 B.C. Sirius was associated with the Egyptian goddess Isis. The northern shaft in the Queen's Chamber (39 deg, 00 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Ursa Minor, circa 2450 B.C. The Egyptians placed great importance on the Sirius system.

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I apologize Nebula, my thoughts got away from me for a sec on the last part of that statement. It was the three constellation of Orions belt they aligned with. The northern shaft in the King's Chamber (32 deg, 28 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Alpha Draconis, circa 2450 B.C. The southern shaft in the Queen's Chamber (39 deg, 30 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Sirius, circa 2450 B.C. Sirius was associated with the Egyptian goddess Isis. The northern shaft in the Queen's Chamber (39 deg, 00 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Ursa Minor, circa 2450 B.C. The Egyptians placed great importance on the Sirius system.

OK, thanks. But I fear an error transpired again. Ursa Minor is the constellation "Little Bear," of which our northern star, Polaris, is a part of (although I do not believe it was the northern star back then). Please clarify, Thanks!

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I apologize Nebula, my thoughts got away from me for a sec on the last part of that statement. It was the three constellation of Orions belt they aligned with. The northern shaft in the King's Chamber (32 deg, 28 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Alpha Draconis, circa 2450 B.C. The southern shaft in the Queen's Chamber (39 deg, 30 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Sirius, circa 2450 B.C. Sirius was associated with the Egyptian goddess Isis. The northern shaft in the Queen's Chamber (39 deg, 00 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Ursa Minor, circa 2450 B.C. The Egyptians placed great importance on the Sirius system.

OK, thanks. But I fear an error transpired again. Ursa Minor is the constellation "Little Bear," of which our northern star, Polaris, is a part of (although I do not believe it was the northern star back then). Please clarify, Thanks!

Nebula, your the astronomer. I only know what I have studied in books over the years and they all say the same thing as well as several sites on the net. If you disagree then correct me with clarification. Don't answer with a hey I am gonna put it back on you and then wait with anticipation to pounce back. No need to drag out a nit pick discussion though I am very willing to learn like the next person. I have always appreciated your comments and knowledge over the years about such things and others. I have at times found them very insightful

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Don't answer with a hey I am gonna put it back on you and then wait with anticipation to pounce back.

Sorry, that wasn't my intention.

It is true I am a nit-picker. But that's how I interact with the world. I do not mean this as a cut-down. It is simply my desire to fit the pieces together properly for my understanding.

I was trying to express my words in a non-offensive way. I apologize for failing at that.

I sincerely wanted to know which star the shaft looked at, and I know of Ursa Minor as a constellation, not a star. The added info was the teacher in me adding to the learning of the situation. My apologies.

[rod1]

Hi, rod1 -

I've been a Christian long enough to have gotten tired of the "pin the tail on the Anti-christ" game.

So have many others (based on previous conversations).

But if you insist on playing this game, would you please have the courtesy to state the evidences to your claim?

Thanks

Was there ever a time people played "pin the tail on the anti-christ" game? I think not!

I thought the thread was to refute the "spooks" about their 2012, see, the devil and his lackys always get in early to set the smoke

screen, to numb the minds of people who should know better.

Just like Jesus said about John the Baptist being the Elijah that was to come, the prophesy had passed them by.

I've given some scriptural evidences in the thread "Daniel 9:27".

One thing is, I'm not engaging in silly, confused mass speculations as some do.

Edited December 1, 2011 by rod1