The New Body of Christ

[nebula]

... you judge maturity based on your ability to debate spiritual things. What occur's is if thing's you (referring to a generation not you on a personnal level) dont understand is expounded on you immediatly reject it as some form of heresy. Have you not read where it is writen heresy is needed to work toward your growth and understanding in the deep things of God.

This type of understanding leads to a dumbing down concerning the deep things of God.

Ephesians 4:14 - As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming ;

Paul called the ones who blindly follow anything anyone says "children."

[Michae]

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Yes a general statement that should have read "I am sure there are some".

[Michae]

Again you say things that could be agreed upon but you judge maturity based on your ability to debate spiritual things. What occur's is if thing's you (referring to a generation not you on a personnal level) dont understand is expounded on you immediatly reject it as some form of heresy. Have you not read where it is writen heresy is needed to work toward your growth and understanding in the deep things of God.

This type of understanding leads to a dumbing down concerning the deep things of God. That is the reason for this conversation to see if we can resolve the lack of communication in my opinion. If not it doesnt matter we still have the same Father as was stated in the OP, to the born again. We can debate and go back and forth in the word but until what you believe is not an issue of seperation we will just spin wheels.

You do understand what you believe didnt save you right, that statement could be a test to your knowledge of the scriptures.

Actually, if a person has matured past the basic principles of faith, they will not (at least should not) immediately dismiss something just because they haven't 'heard' it before. We are to be as the Bereans & search the scripture to see if it be true or not. There are many wonderful truths still to be revealed in the Word as we continue to grow up into Him. I agree that knee-jerk rejection can keep one from growing.

No, I haven't read that about heresy, so please give me scripture so I can check it.

What I believe about the Father sending His Son as a sacrifice for me is what saved me & He continues to work in me toward my final salvation.

The truth of being "in Christ" & "Christ in you" is still unfolding to many & Paul was given the task of bringing it's meaning out in the open. I think that is what you were addressing in the OP. I just saw some statements there that I wasn't in agreement with & said so.

Thank you, ok lets talk about maturing past basic principles that have been laid in Christ as you stated, there is such a thing. Lets look at a few of the statements I have made concerning Christ, such as Christ being the life of every believer or the importance of the message of the in Christ message and other sound doctrinal statements.

My question about maturity would be why is there no excitement concerning those things. I do know I said some things that we need to discuss and get into the scripture but I dont understand why there would be no attention given to such wonderful scriptures. I do though in defence of all lay blame to the way we communicate on line and can disassociate ourselves from the realness of a face to face one on one discussion.

A clanish gang mentality is in noway a God thing, I spent my youth gang bangn and I admit now I still have a problem in the way I handle people but I will always be real and up front and seek as yourselves to express Christ in whatever situation I am in.

[Matthitjah]

Again you say things that could be agreed upon but you judge maturity based on your ability to debate spiritual things. What occur's is if thing's you (referring to a generation not you on a personnal level) dont understand is expounded on you immediatly reject it as some form of heresy. Have you not read where it is writen heresy is needed to work toward your growth and understanding in the deep things of God.

This type of understanding leads to a dumbing down concerning the deep things of God. That is the reason for this conversation to see if we can resolve the lack of communication in my opinion. If not it doesnt matter we still have the same Father as was stated in the OP, to the born again. We can debate and go back and forth in the word but until what you believe is not an issue of seperation we will just spin wheels.

You do understand what you believe didnt save you right, that statement could be a test to your knowledge of the scriptures.

Actually, if a person has matured past the basic principles of faith, they will not (at least should not) immediately dismiss something just because they haven't 'heard' it before. We are to be as the Bereans & search the scripture to see if it be true or not. There are many wonderful truths still to be revealed in the Word as we continue to grow up into Him. I agree that knee-jerk rejection can keep one from growing.

No, I haven't read that about heresy, so please give me scripture so I can check it.

What I believe about the Father sending His Son as a sacrifice for me is what saved me & He continues to work in me toward my final salvation.

The truth of being "in Christ" & "Christ in you" is still unfolding to many & Paul was given the task of bringing it's meaning out in the open. I think that is what you were addressing in the OP. I just saw some statements there that I wasn't in agreement with & said so.

Thank you, ok lets talk about maturing past basic principles that have been laid in Christ as you stated, there is such a thing. Lets look at a few of the statements I have made concerning Christ, such as Christ being the life of every believer or the importance of the message of the in Christ message and other sound doctrinal statements.

My question about maturity would be why is there no excitement concerning those things. I do know I said some things that we need to discuss and get into the scripture but I dont understand why there would be no attention given to such wonderful scriptures. I do though in defence of all lay blame to the way we communicate on line and can disassociate ourselves from the realness of a face to face one on one discussion.

A clanish gang mentality is in noway a God thing, I spent my youth gang bangn and I admit now I still have a problem in the way I handle people but I will always be real and up front and seek as yourselves to express Christ in whatever situation I am in.

Dear friend, you assume way too much.

Most who are here have encountered folks like yourself over, and over, and over again.

What they are doing is what Scripture mandates and that is to try the spirits and to be like the more Noble in Berea. If you have a problem with that it's on you because Christ went through the same trials and passed with flying colors and with much more patience than you've exhibited here.

Are you above reproof?

Here's my suggestion for you; take some time to tell us about yourself and get to know others before trying some new Doctrine which so far hasn't passed muster.

What is it that you exctly believe about our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ. Is He both God and man in the flesh?

What's your testimony?

Peace,

Dave

[Guest]

.... You do understand what you believe didn't save you right, that statement could be a test to your knowledge of the scriptures....

Well Dear One You Do Know

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

It's Not What

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:7

But Who

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

One Believes In

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: John 11:25

That Will Save

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:7

A Fellow

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Peter 1:23

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest]

My LORD And My God

For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Isaiah 57:17

I Love You So

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.... When we try to do things like the early NT church the rest of the body becomes weak....

Weak

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:46-47

Is

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence. 1 Corinthians 1:23-29

Good

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 1:30-31

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.... i believe in respect for our elders and those that work in ministry but it is no longer God coming upon man to use them in a powerful way, it is Christ alive in each one us His Body....

Yes

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Ephesians 4:11-13

Respect

Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. 1 Timothy 5:17-18

With Great Joy

Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.

Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account. Philippians 4:15-17

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Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

[Michae]

Thanks Joe, that really wasnt the best thread to be starting without being known and a newbie, so ill take my whoopn and keep tryn.

[Matthitjah]

Thanks Joe, that really wasnt the best thread to be starting without being known and a newbie, so ill take my whoopn and keep tryn.

Please share your testimony.

Who is the Christ. Did He come in the flesh, fully God and fully man?

[Guest]

... before Paul we have no "Christ in you" understanding...

Jesus God The Son Said To His Father

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. John 17:20-23

And As For Poor Brother

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:1-2

Paul

For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1 Corinthians 1:11-23

[Miss Elly]

The New Body of Christ

The epistle to the Galations was written soon after Acts 13. In the time period between Acts 13 and Acts 28, seven of Paul's epistles were written. These epistles are bridge epistles in moving the believer from what Christ can do for you to who He is in you. This moves the people from the early New Testament church of self-ministries to the Body of Christ ministries. Paul recounts, "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by His grace, to reveal His Son in me", Gal 1:15-16.

This is the first revelation to the new body of Christ, after the stoning Of Stephen you dont see the things that were happening as much, there were still miracles just as today but not the signs and wonders as before. God begins to move men from them having power to the power being of Christ in us body ministry.

When we try to do things like the early NT church the rest of the body becomes weak, i believe in respect for our elders and those that work in ministry but it is nolonger God coming upon man to use them in a powerful way, it is Christ alive in each one us His Body.

You sound confused to me, sorry! Will pray for you.