Calvinism and Corinthians 12:3

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I have one quick response. Time may be circular in Jewish thought, but in reality it is linear, and I think that is the way we should deal with it in viewing its events.

I think you misunderstood what I said.

A "circular spiral" does have a linear component to it, but that linear-ness is wound

Judges is a good example of this.

The pattern of following God, falling away from God, becoming captives to their enemies, the people repenting and crying out to God, and then God sending a deliverer (judge) is repeated over and over and over.

So there's a circle, but also a progression, because things changes within each cycle, and eventually it led to something else.

Hope that clarifies things.

[nebula]

I'll consider this.

Thank-you!

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Have to get back to you later. Out of time for now to respond appropriately.

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Hey, whoa!

I never got to answer the question! I have 3 labs - consisting of 2 lab activities and a quiz - I need to get graded. I don't have an hour to try to work through and type up an answer. Nor do I have anything pre-written I can copy and paste.

So going back, you asked, "Do we have any Biblical basis for viewing these other events as calls from God as he did Abraham? "

Before I can answer, I would prefer understanding your perspective rather than assuming, if I can.

Are you looking for the exact words "called" or "called out", or is the principle of being "called" or "called out" sufficient?

[mizzdy]

I have one quick response. Time may be circular in Jewish thought, but in reality it is linear, and I think that is the way we should deal with it in viewing its events.

I think you misunderstood what I said.

A "circular spiral" does have a linear component to it, but that linear-ness is wound

Judges is a good example of this.

The pattern of following God, falling away from God, becoming captives to their enemies, the people repenting and crying out to God, and then God sending a deliverer (judge) is repeated over and over and over.

So there's a circle, but also a progression, because things changes within each cycle, and eventually it led to something else.

Hope that clarifies things.

Yes, I was responding there to the meaning of "circular", which indicates it ends where it began.

However, a circular "spiral" is in fact linear, not circular, because it has origin and termination, which "circular" does not.

So, if I understand you correctly, Jewish thought is better described as linear but not proceding in a straight line, which is not necessary to linear.

But in terms of the "core" of God's people, "circular spiral" is irrelevant anyway, for the Christ is the "core."

In Hebrew thought things are cyclical, repeats itself. For example we do not read the bible and instantly understand it, we may read the same passage a hundred times but read it 101 times and suddenly we see it and understand it. A Hebrew teacher I know explains it simply, we may drive down the same road over and over again but one day we notice a tree, its been there forever but we never fully 'see' it. Greek thought is a straight line never going back to see the things one might have missed.

[nebula]

But in terms of the "core" of God's people, "circular spiral" is irrelevant anyway, for the Christ is the "core."

That's why I stated it's another topic for another thread. I don't know why it was mentioned. But anyway, back to the topic at hand...

[nebula]

Hey, whoa!

I never got to answer the question! I have 3 labs - consisting of 2 lab activities and a quiz - I need to get graded. I don't have an hour to try to work through and type up an answer. Nor do I have anything pre-written I can copy and paste.

So going back, you asked, "Do we have any Biblical basis for viewing these other events as calls from God as he did Abraham? "

Before I can answer, I would prefer understanding your perspective rather than assuming, if I can.

Are you looking for the exact words "called" or "called out", or is the principle of being "called" or "called out" sufficient?

Is that still relevant in light of Christ being the "core" of God' people?

I was responding to the question you posted here:

What we disagree on is the "core" if you will, of this called out assembly.

Eleanor: There is no "core." Time is not circular, but linear. There is only the beginning (Abraham) and then the addition to God's people of each succeeding generation, which has been preceded by the generation before them, on through the contiuum of time until now.

Due to time constraints, I'm going to focus on this one alone right now.

In Hebrew thought, time is a circular spiral. That is, things are repeated, but there is a progression in time. But that debate is worth its own thread.

Consider this though:

God "called out" Abraham.

Then God called out Isaac from Abraham's children.

Then God called out Jacob/Israel from Isaac's children.

Then God called out all the children of Israel from Egypt, along with any Egyptians who chose to join themselves to Israel and their God.

Then God called out a remnant from the captives of the Nation of Judah (itself a remnant of the children of Israel) from Babylon.

Then God called out a remnant from the descendants of the returned captives who believed in Jesus.

Then God called out the Gentiles to join this remnant and become one with them and their God and their Covenant.

God called out Abraham in Ge 12:1.

Do we have any Biblical basis for viewing these other events as calls from God as he did Abraham?

To this question, I asked for clarification purposes:

Are you looking for the exact words "called" or "called out", or is the principle of being "called" or "called out" sufficient?

[nebula]

Somehow our trains of though aren't even on the same continent, it seems.

5). . .Israel and the Church are one "assembly," meaning the NT Scriptures given by God's Son are subject to the OT Scriptures given by his prophets, instead of the NT being the Son's new and fuller revelation completing the OT.

• It's all about Jewish precedence in the people of God conferring a proprietary relationship to, and a supercedency of, the OT Scriptures,
  instead of the equality of Gal 3:26-29, which puts both Jew and Gentile on the same footing.

What we disagree on is the "core" if you will, of this called out assembly.

Eleanor: There is no "core." Time is not circular, but linear. There is only the beginning (Abraham) and then the addition to God's people of each succeeding generation, which has been preceded by the generation before them, on through the contiuum of time until now.

The point I was trying to bring out was that the ekklesia of Jesus (by whatever English term you prefer to refer to it as) began as a called out group of Jews, who came to faith in their Messiah, prophesied about in their Scriptures, the fulfillment of their Law (Matt. 5:17), and became the first partakers of the New Covenant given to the house of Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-37). The Gentiles were then granted the grace to join in this "new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah."

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.... Do we have any Biblical basis for viewing these other events as calls from God as he did Abraham?....

Come

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:16-17

Repent

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Revelation 3:19

Church

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Revelation 3:20-21

Repent

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Revelation 3:22

[nebula]

We're back to the linear continuum of time where every generation of God's peope is preceded by a former generation in the continuum.

It's just the continuum of time, with equality amont all (Gal 3:28-29).

Not getting what the nature of time has to do with proving anything.

Or how that nixes the significance of the Covenant we are under being called "the new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah."