Candidate barred for improper command of english

[ayin jade]

Why is it implied that she has no allegiance merely because of her poor English skills? That is a mighty assumption.

Actually here that is not entirely an assumption. That is a real problem in Arizona and other parts of the southwest. There are movements in mexico to remove the border limits so they can send many more across. There are movements to "take back" the land they claim they still own. There are some us politicians who have been elected who have openly stated they are more pro mexico than they are pro us, who are more interested in illegals than they are in american citizens.

[~candice~]

Why is it implied that she has no allegiance merely because of her poor English skills? That is a mighty assumption.

Actually here that is not entirely an assumption. That is a real problem in Arizona and other parts of the southwest. There are movements in mexico to remove the border limits so they can send many more across. There are movements to "take back" the land they claim they still own. There are some us politicians who have been elected who have openly stated they are more pro mexico than they are pro us, who are more interested in illegals than they are in american citizens.

Sure it's an assumption. Otherwise it would have to be true that EVERY person with her history has no allegiance to the States?

[amor]

Why is it implied that she has no allegiance merely because of her poor English skills? That is a mighty assumption.

Actually here that is not entirely an assumption. That is a real problem in Arizona and other parts of the southwest. There are movements in mexico to remove the border limits so they can send many more across. There are movements to "take back" the land they claim they still own. There are some us politicians who have been elected who have openly stated they are more pro mexico than they are pro us, who are more interested in illegals than they are in american citizens.

Are there? Well as long as a minority of American citizens don't vote for them you have nothing to worry about. After all the illegal and indeed legal immigrants (obviously i'm not talking about naturalised citizens) by virtue of being immigrants don't have a vote.

[ayin jade]

Are there? Well as long as a minority of American citizens don't vote for them you have nothing to worry about. After all the illegal and indeed legal immigrants (obviously i'm not talking about naturalised citizens) by virtue of being immigrants don't have a vote.

Lol. That is laughable. Since you do not live here, you are not aware of this, but Arizona also has a lot of problems with voter fraud that way. We enacted a law requiring proof of citizenship in order to vote and the feds sued us to strike it down. So now anyone can register and vote without showing any proof of citizenship. There is also a lot of identity fraud here and many illegals have fraudulent documents that permit them to do, among other things, vote. And it has long been known here that they do indeed vote. One July 4th, in which a large number of folks became citizens, someone tried to hand out voter registration forms, and he couldnt. It turns out most of them were already registered to vote. It made our local news and that prompted the law I mentioned above.

[amor]

If she's not going to win, why bar her from office?

If the law states she cannot hold the office, why spend the money and time running? Why present a candidate that would be a wasted vote?

It would actually benefit the competition to have people of the opposite political party split on someone, even better to have one side of the split vote count for nothing. Don't you think?

Allowing a dead-end candidate to run is plain nonsense.

Unless, of course, you want her to run to make a point and/or establish a precedence. If that's the case, please be honest and say so.

Reallt I just think that American citizens should be allowed to run for public office. That should be the rule in a democratic society. As to wasted votes, at every election I've voted in there have been candidates who have no chance of winning. I don't vote Green,few do. But they have the right.

[Guest shiloh357]

candice~, on 11 February 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Why is it implied that she has no allegiance merely because of her poor English skills? That is a mighty assumption.

It is a well founded assumption and one that she will need to overcome.

Because she is lazy in learning the language. If she doesn't care enough to learn the language, it is likely she doesn't really care about the US. When someone has been here as long as she has and they still can't speak the language, it does not reflect well on her desire to run for office. Anyone with political ambitions should have the sense to know that you need to know and know well the language of the country you are seeking office in. If her main interests like with the hispanics/latinos she doesnt' feel the need to be competent in English, which calls her true interests into question.

She has been here long enough to have learned the language.

[~candice~]

candice~, on 11 February 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Why is it implied that she has no allegiance merely because of her poor English skills? That is a mighty assumption.

It is a well founded assumption and one that she will need to overcome.

Because she is lazy in learning the language. If she doesn't care enough to learn the language, it is likely she doesn't really care about the US. When someone has been here as long as she has and they still can't speak the language, it does not reflect well on her desire to run for office. Anyone with political ambitions should have the sense to know that you need to know and know well the language of the country you are seeking office in. If her main interests like with the hispanics/latinos she doesnt' feel the need to be competent in English, which calls her true interests into question.

She has been here long enough to have learned the language.

I do think it is a reasonable question to ask, and she would need to address the question should she be able to run again in the future, but surely it can't be a foregone conclusion before the question has been asked? Likelihood doesn't correspond to fact. I'm not saying she isn't one of those people, but the issue deserves consideration before labelling her as such.

[Guest shiloh357]

Reallt I just think that American citizens should be allowed to run for public office.

Americans citizens are allowed, but not all of them. And it really doesn't matter what you think.

That should be the rule in a democratic society.

No, it shouldn't. There are all kinds of Americans who should not be allowed to run for office, convicted felons, for one and anyone who cannot speak the language regardless of the reason.

As to wasted votes, at every election I've voted in there have been candidates who have no chance of winning. I don't vote Green,few do. But they have the right.

Not everyone has the right to run for office in the US. Not ever citizen has the right to run for President.

Suck it up and deal with it amor.

[Guest shiloh357]

candice~, on 11 February 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Why is it implied that she has no allegiance merely because of her poor English skills? That is a mighty assumption.

It is a well founded assumption and one that she will need to overcome.

Because she is lazy in learning the language. If she doesn't care enough to learn the language, it is likely she doesn't really care about the US. When someone has been here as long as she has and they still can't speak the language, it does not reflect well on her desire to run for office. Anyone with political ambitions should have the sense to know that you need to know and know well the language of the country you are seeking office in. If her main interests like with the hispanics/latinos she doesnt' feel the need to be competent in English, which calls her true interests into question.

She has been here long enough to have learned the language.

I do think it is a reasonable question to ask, and she would need to address the question should she be able to run again in the future, but surely it can't be a foregone conclusion before the question has been asked? Likelihood doesn't correspond to fact. I'm not saying she isn't one of those people, but the issue deserves consideration before labelling her as such.

She has brought it on herself. 10 to 1, she is a latino simply running for latinos. She only has latino interests at heart. It is soooo prevelent down there, I would win if I put money on it. I have NEVER seen a latino politician in AZ that was not latino first, American last. I think Jade, who lives in AZ will concur.

[~candice~]

Ugh!

I'm not saying that issue is not a real relevant issue, I'm bemoaning the conclusion reached with no research done. If the shoe were on the other foot and someone were criticising Bush I'm sure you'd all pipe up and say 'show me the evidence first'.

Stereotypes are often true but each person deserves consideration on their own merits.

I can't believe I actually have to spell this out .