The death penalty

[Ervin]

My understanding of the new testament is that you shoukdnt have the death penalty. Personally I woukdnt execute even my worst enemies.

From what I remember there is a story somewhere in the Bible where Jesus said" " Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" for something that the old testament law would condemn het to death.

Now somewhere in the new testament Jesus sais that he did not come to destroy the law but to confirm it. How do you explain that?

Also, I have another question and that is can someone reason for me why did God change from fight your enemies to love your enemies? It's a question many people ask when they talk about Christianity.

[mizzdy]

My understanding of the new testament is that you shoukdnt have the death penalty. Personally I woukdnt execute even my worst enemies.

From what I remember there is a story somewhere in the Bible where Jesus said" " Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" for something that the old testament law would condemn het to death.

Now somewhere in the new testament Jesus sais that he did not come to destroy the law but to confirm it. How do you explain that?

Also, I have another question and that is can someone reason for me why did God change from fight your enemies to love your enemies? It's a question many people ask when they talk about Christianity.

The penalty for sin is death, final death with no possible resurrection Messiah took that upon Himself we now are free from that final death sentence that hung over our heads. Yeshua is the Word, He is the one who gave us His laws, He came and gave us the perfect example of how we can rightly walk in His commandments but didnt leave it at that oh no! He knew we are flesh so He sent the Spirit to help us walk out His ways. The scripture says that He did not come to abolish but to fulfull, some take that He did everything for us so we dont have to obey anything but love people, I find that to be out of charactor for God and Yeshua. We are having His Torah, His instructions written on our hearts as we mature in Him He gives brings us into fuller understandings of it all, if thats done away with whats is being written on our hearts? And frankly if anything Yeshua made following Him a bit harder, taking the commandment to not commit adultery but if we even lust in our hearts we are falling down on our jobs to keep our hearts upon Him. Thankfully He loves us so much that when we do fail and we always do in some ways He is quick to forgive us.

If Israel, if we had followed His righteous ways there would be no need to fight and destroy, the lessons taught on how to rid ourselves from doing those things are firmly rooted in His instructions. Man is corrupt His ways are not, I certainly do look forward to living under a righteous holy King one day where all are of one mind, of one accord!

shalom,

Mizz

[MorningGlory]

The penalty for sin is death, final death with no possible resurrection Messiah took that upon Himself we now are free from that final death sentence that hung over our heads. Yeshua is the Word, He is the one who gave us His laws, He came and gave us the perfect example of how we can rightly walk in His commandments but didnt leave it at that oh no! He knew we are flesh so He sent the Spirit to help us walk out His ways. The scripture says that He did not come to abolish but to fulfull, some take that He did everything for us so we dont have to obey anything but love people, I find that to be out of charactor for God and Yeshua. We are having His Torah, His instructions written on our hearts as we mature in Him He gives brings us into fuller understandings of it all, if thats done away with whats is being written on our hearts? And frankly if anything Yeshua made following Him a bit harder, taking the commandment to not commit adultery but if we even lust in our hearts we are falling down on our jobs to keep our hearts upon Him. Thankfully He loves us so much that when we do fail and we always do in some ways He is quick to forgive us.

If Israel, if we had followed His righteous ways there would be no need to fight and destroy, the lessons taught on how to rid ourselves from doing those things are firmly rooted in His instructions. Man is corrupt His ways are not, I certainly do look forward to living under a righteous holy King one day where all are of one mind, of one accord!

shalom,

Mizz

[jasoncran]

lovely, the death penalty doesnt always deter murder and heinous crimes. im pro-death penalty.

[Guest AndrewCothran]

My understanding of the new testament is that you shoukdnt have the death penalty. Personally I woukdnt execute even my worst enemies.

From what I remember there is a story somewhere in the Bible where Jesus said" " Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" for something that the old testament law would condemn het to death.

Now somewhere in the new testament Jesus sais that he did not come to destroy the law but to confirm it. How do you explain that?

Also, I have another question and that is can someone reason for me why did God change from fight your enemies to love your enemies? It's a question many people ask when they talk about Christianity.

I am against the death penalty only because there is the slightest possibility in many cases that you have the wrong person .

I find the issue according to the bible to be a bit confusing ..on one hand we have what the OT says then we have the NT

one thing i know for sure it is not a sin for a government to abolish it .in favor of life imprisonment

[jasoncran]

My understanding of the new testament is that you shoukdnt have the death penalty. Personally I woukdnt execute even my worst enemies.

From what I remember there is a story somewhere in the Bible where Jesus said" " Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" for something that the old testament law would condemn het to death.

Now somewhere in the new testament Jesus sais that he did not come to destroy the law but to confirm it. How do you explain that?

Also, I have another question and that is can someone reason for me why did God change from fight your enemies to love your enemies? It's a question many people ask when they talk about Christianity.

I am against the death penalty only because there is the slightest possibility in many cases that you have the wrong person .

I find the issue according to the bible to be a bit confusing ..on one hand we have what the OT says then we have the NT

one thing i know for sure it is not a sin for a government to abolish it .in favor of life imprisonment

human justice is often like that but is it humane treatment to put the violent offenders in solitary for life?

[mizzdy]

My understanding of the new testament is that you shoukdnt have the death penalty. Personally I woukdnt execute even my worst enemies.

From what I remember there is a story somewhere in the Bible where Jesus said" " Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" for something that the old testament law would condemn het to death.

Now somewhere in the new testament Jesus sais that he did not come to destroy the law but to confirm it. How do you explain that?

Also, I have another question and that is can someone reason for me why did God change from fight your enemies to love your enemies? It's a question many people ask when they talk about Christianity.

I am against the death penalty only because there is the slightest possibility in many cases that you have the wrong person .

I find the issue according to the bible to be a bit confusing ..on one hand we have what the OT says then we have the NT

one thing i know for sure it is not a sin for a government to abolish it .in favor of life imprisonment

Our justice system is in no way like what God is going to do, life outside of Gods light to me is worse than what man can do. The OT and the NT are a continuation of the same book, God is going to come with wrath just as He promised. The difference between our justice system and His is simply that He is righteous and man is corrupt.

[Guest AndrewCothran]

My understanding of the new testament is that you shoukdnt have the death penalty. Personally I woukdnt execute even my worst enemies.

From what I remember there is a story somewhere in the Bible where Jesus said" " Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" for something that the old testament law would condemn het to death.

Now somewhere in the new testament Jesus sais that he did not come to destroy the law but to confirm it. How do you explain that?

Also, I have another question and that is can someone reason for me why did God change from fight your enemies to love your enemies? It's a question many people ask when they talk about Christianity.

I am against the death penalty only because there is the slightest possibility in many cases that you have the wrong person .

I find the issue according to the bible to be a bit confusing ..on one hand we have what the OT says then we have the NT

one thing i know for sure it is not a sin for a government to abolish it .in favor of life imprisonment

human justice is often like that but is it humane treatment to put the violent offenders in solitary for life?

I am not arguing the merits of doing such a thing i am only saying that if there is the slightest chance that they are innocent then the death penalty should not be used .

[Guest AndrewCothran]

My understanding of the new testament is that you shoukdnt have the death penalty. Personally I woukdnt execute even my worst enemies.

From what I remember there is a story somewhere in the Bible where Jesus said" " Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" for something that the old testament law would condemn het to death.

Now somewhere in the new testament Jesus sais that he did not come to destroy the law but to confirm it. How do you explain that?

Also, I have another question and that is can someone reason for me why did God change from fight your enemies to love your enemies? It's a question many people ask when they talk about Christianity.

I am against the death penalty only because there is the slightest possibility in many cases that you have the wrong person .

I find the issue according to the bible to be a bit confusing ..on one hand we have what the OT says then we have the NT

one thing i know for sure it is not a sin for a government to abolish it .in favor of life imprisonment

Our justice system is in no way like what God is going to do, life outside of Gods light to me is worse than what man can do. The OT and the NT are a continuation of the same book, God is going to come with wrath just as He promised. The difference between our justice system and His is simply that He is righteous and man is corrupt.

Granted ..but i think you are veering off course we are talking about mans justice here .

[jasoncran]

there are innocents in any court system. all we can do is try not to charge them with a crime. we are alot closer to that day then a few decades ago.we executed bin laden on far less evidence then the average american would need to be executed.