Presidential election

[Matthitjah]

You see, that's just the thing: Romney doesn't impress me. He's an empty suit who's flip-flopped on so many key issues you might as well call him a rubber ball. He's as bad, in my opinion, as Obama. Neither is a good candidate, but if through happenstance Romney should be elected, the nation's slide into European-style socialism wouldn't be stopped, only slowed a bit. And that's not worth my precious vote.

ETA: and let's not forget Congress. A Republican President facing a rabidly-left Senate and House would truly have his work cut out for him. A strong President, a Reagan or a Truman, say, could stare 'em down or outflank 'em, but Romney doesn't have the chops to pull that off.

Who say's the Senate stay's leftist? There is a huge Anti- Obamacare sentiment out there and folks know who shoved it down our throats.

I agree that the two men are both Left but Obama is a rabid Leftist who is dangerous.

We are not left with any other choice at this point. Either vote Romney or vote third party. Vote thrid party and Obama wins. Then we will have nothing to gripe about. Neither should we condemn or complain about the man that we essentially stood for.

I get the feeling that some folks believe, not anyone here, that if Obama wins and becomes worse that we will just throw him off or something. Or that it won't be that bad, or that someone else will come along later who is better. What will happen next is Despotism a Chavez style Socialism. We will not recover from that.

[other one]

I think that last assumption is way over the edge.

[Matthitjah]

I think that last assumption is way over the edge.

Howso brother? What has Obama proven already that he will do?

I have personally met folks right here in Liberal MD that believe that we will have to do something drastic as a people if he wins again. I do not endorse that opinion because I believe that this is what the Progressives and Leftists want. Then they will be justified in their accusations and empowered to do something drastic themselves.

We are talking about a man who has no compunction when it comes to telling you what you can and can't do with your closely held religious convictions.

[MorningGlory]

I agree with O.O.; if Obama is reelected there is no indication from any quarter he will go from Jekyll to Hyde....other than the anti-Obama blogosphere.

[SavedByGrace1981]

Might I suggest that we Christians not pass judgement on other Christians if their political views don't align with ours? I don't say this as a criticism of anyone on this thread or at Worthy in general - and it's a suggestion that applies to myself as much as anyone else.

Right after I became a Christian back in the early 80s, I was attending a Wesleyan church in Tulsa. (I know I've probably shared this previously, so I'll just provide the Reader's Digest version). There was a fine, Christian retired couple there, who I was just getting to know. During the Reagan/Mondale election cycle, I arrived at church one morning and saw a "Mondale/Ferraro" bumper sticker on the gentleman's car. Years later, as I look back on this, I've come to the conclusion that it was only through the checking of the Holy Spirit that I did not go up to him and say "Hey! Some joker put a Mondale sticker on your car".

Because as I did get to know this couple, I realized that they WERE committed Christians - sold out to the Lord. But they were also very much democrats. (He was a retired UAW member)

This was a very valuable lesson for me to learn then - and one I've had occasion to reflect on as the years have passed.

Let me say at this point that accepting something is not always the same as understanding it. By that I mean this: This election cycle, I can accept that there will be good committed Christians who view politics very differently than I. There will be Christians who support Romney, and there will be Christians who support Obama. (Like I said, I'll accept that fact even though I do not understand it.)

I'm one who believes in voting one's conscience - for that reason, I won't be voting for Romney. BUT - there will be others who "vote their conscience" and will vote for Romney. I will not think any less of them or their Christian walk for doing so - I hope and pray they will not think less of me. And - to complete the point I'm trying to make - there are those committed Christians who will vote for Obama. (It will be a struggle for me - that's true. But I will vow not to think less of them or their walk for that reason alone.)

Blessings!

-Ed

[AnotherSinner]

Might I suggest that we Christians not pass judgement on other Christians if their political views don't align with ours? I don't say this as a criticism of anyone on this thread or at Worthy in general - and it's a suggestion that applies to myself as much as anyone else.

Right after I became a Christian back in the early 80s, I was attending a Wesleyan church in Tulsa. (I know I've probably shared this previously, so I'll just provide the Reader's Digest version). There was a fine, Christian retired couple there, who I was just getting to know. During the Reagan/Mondale election cycle, I arrived at church one morning and saw a "Mondale/Ferraro" bumper sticker on the gentleman's car. Years later, as I look back on this, I've come to the conclusion that it was only through the checking of the Holy Spirit that I did not go up to him and say "Hey! Some joker put a Mondale sticker on your car".

Because as I did get to know this couple, I realized that they WERE committed Christians - sold out to the Lord. But they were also very much democrats. (He was a retired UAW member)

This was a very valuable lesson for me to learn then - and one I've had occasion to reflect on as the years have passed.

Let me say at this point that accepting something is not always the same as understanding it. By that I mean this: This election cycle, I can accept that there will be good committed Christians who view politics very differently than I. There will be Christians who support Romney, and there will be Christians who support Obama. (Like I said, I'll accept that fact even though I do not understand it.)

I'm one who believes in voting one's conscience - for that reason, I won't be voting for Romney. BUT - there will be others who "vote their conscience" and will vote for Romney. I will not think any less of them or their Christian walk for doing so - I hope and pray they will not think less of me. And - to complete the point I'm trying to make - there are those committed Christians who will vote for Obama. (It will be a struggle for me - that's true. But I will vow not to think less of them or their walk for that reason alone.)

Blessings!

-Ed

Thank you for posting that Ed. Politics tend to bring out the worst in us sometimes. Know I have been known to get heated over politiical issues. A gentle reminder like this is much appreciated.

[Matthitjah]

Might I suggest that we Christians not pass judgement on other Christians if their political views don't align with ours? I don't say this as a criticism of anyone on this thread or at Worthy in general - and it's a suggestion that applies to myself as much as anyone else.

Right after I became a Christian back in the early 80s, I was attending a Wesleyan church in Tulsa. (I know I've probably shared this previously, so I'll just provide the Reader's Digest version). There was a fine, Christian retired couple there, who I was just getting to know. During the Reagan/Mondale election cycle, I arrived at church one morning and saw a "Mondale/Ferraro" bumper sticker on the gentleman's car. Years later, as I look back on this, I've come to the conclusion that it was only through the checking of the Holy Spirit that I did not go up to him and say "Hey! Some joker put a Mondale sticker on your car".

Because as I did get to know this couple, I realized that they WERE committed Christians - sold out to the Lord. But they were also very much democrats. (He was a retired UAW member)

This was a very valuable lesson for me to learn then - and one I've had occasion to reflect on as the years have passed.

Let me say at this point that accepting something is not always the same as understanding it. By that I mean this: This election cycle, I can accept that there will be good committed Christians who view politics very differently than I. There will be Christians who support Romney, and there will be Christians who support Obama. (Like I said, I'll accept that fact even though I do not understand it.)

I'm one who believes in voting one's conscience - for that reason, I won't be voting for Romney. BUT - there will be others who "vote their conscience" and will vote for Romney. I will not think any less of them or their Christian walk for doing so - I hope and pray they will not think less of me. And - to complete the point I'm trying to make - there are those committed Christians who will vote for Obama. (It will be a struggle for me - that's true. But I will vow not to think less of them or their walk for that reason alone.)

Blessings!

-Ed

I still attend a Wesleyan Church. I think I'd of asked them what was in the water they were drinking. Just kidding, just kidding.

[Matthitjah]

I agree with O.O.; if Obama is reelected there is no indication from any quarter he will go from Jekyll to Hyde....other than the anti-Obama blogosphere.

"Unelected bunch of Folks"

"Tell Putin to give me space until after the upcoming Election"

"I will have to go around the Congress"

"I will do it on my own"

Etc... ad nauseum.......

(All paraphrases)

[John Robinson]

Sadly enough, in the final analysis there's not much difference between Democrats and Republicans: the former wants to shoot the nation into the abyss at rocket speed, while the latter would prefer to kind of just e-e-e-ease us over the edge. The end result is the same, only the timing varies.

We need a wake-up call to turn us, if it's not too late already. But I have no idea what that call would be.

[Matthitjah]

Hey Dave, you will never believe this! But I agree with you . And I posted about this issue weeks ago. This election is just as much about getting Obama out as it is getting a true conservative in. Not using your vote against Obama in an effective way is almost as bad as voting for him, and people doing the former shouldn't condemn the latter. I'm not so sure John is condemning anyone, I'm just saying I fail to see the difference between not voting against Obama, and voting for him.

Here's the thing though guy's.

Not voting for Romney and not voting for Obama will throw the election to Obama.

We will end up with a self fulflling Prophecy as this thread is. I'm not saying not to vote your conscience. I'm saying don't condemn those voting for Obama because you are doing the same thing. He will win if all tyhe dissafected Christains merely walk away and leave the Nation to its own demise. We know what Obama will do.

I guess that I'm in the camp of the lesser of two evils especially when we already know what Obama is doing and will do. I don't like it anymore than you do but just turning the Country over to the "just go on and go to hell" camp isn't working for me.

If I know the Good I am to do and neglect to do it I am sinning.

Thanks sis. The logic is sound. If you believe that Obama is "The Problem." Voting for someone who has no chance of defeating him is a vote for him. Meanwhile, demeaning someone who is voting for him while you are voting for him makes no sense whatsoever.