Christian Zionism

[rich08]

Can someone help me out with the different positions re Christian Zionism? I am not looking for an in-depth theological argument or a defence of one position or a debunking of another. Just looking for a basic summary of what the different positions are at this stage please.

Many thanks,

Richard

[nebula]

I did not know there were different positions?

[Guest yod]

The basic definition of a Zionist is someone who believes that the Jewish people should have their own homeland. "Christian" zionists in general believe that homeland was given to them in a covenant from God, who also gives the borders of the nations to the rest of the world.

Some zionists are more politically driven (John Hagee) while most are politically passive, leaning more on helping Israel/Jewish people through good works and trusting that God will accomplish His will.

In other words, helping Jewish people have a home where they are safe from those who want to kill them is the goal....but most of the world seems to want them dead, so zionism is viewed (and opposed) politically and militarily.

[OneLight]

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[nebula]

The post I addressed here may be an example of their theology.

I read your post and the thread. There is nothing in there that has to do with Christian Zionism.

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A Definition of Zionism

Zionism: The national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel. Has come to include the development of the State of Israel and the protection of the Jewish nation in Israel.

Zionism avocated, from inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions - left and right, religious and secular - joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained.

The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html

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Christian Zionism are Christians who believe in this and support it.

[jasoncran]

i support isreal because im jewish. plain and simple. i do see a return to the land but not this current jewish state. its my belief that the new state of isreal shall be only those hebrews that are in christ that will "inherit" that land.

that said, i may still have relatives there. we cranmans are all over the world.

[rich08]

I have deleted a couple of posts. The reasons why are due to the ToS.

Abuse of other posters is not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to, name calling, insulting, harassing, threatening or in any way invading the privacy of another poster. We also strongly discourage giving out personal information such as email addresses, physical addresses and phone numbers on the public boards. Any information given out in private is at your own discretion and risk. (Eph. 4: 29)

Debate the subject, not the person. It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating. Also remember that the fact that a person disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you as a person. Respect each other in the love of God! This is the main reason that threads get stopped, shut down, and even deleted! Users that cannot respect others will be banned. (Lev. 19:18)

Thank you for monitoring the posts. I could not agree more - I didn't see the offending posts, but it is a shame that people feel the need to attack others rather than debate in a friendly, encouraging, uplifting and above all Christian manner. So thank you for the work you do. (I am not sure what ToS stands for though!)

[OneLight]

I have deleted a couple of posts. The reasons why are due to the ToS.

Abuse of other posters is not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to, name calling, insulting, harassing, threatening or in any way invading the privacy of another poster. We also strongly discourage giving out personal information such as email addresses, physical addresses and phone numbers on the public boards. Any information given out in private is at your own discretion and risk. (Eph. 4: 29)

Debate the subject, not the person. It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating. Also remember that the fact that a person disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you as a person. Respect each other in the love of God! This is the main reason that threads get stopped, shut down, and even deleted! Users that cannot respect others will be banned. (Lev. 19:18)

Thank you for monitoring the posts. I could not agree more - I didn't see the offending posts, but it is a shame that people feel the need to attack others rather than debate in a friendly, encouraging, uplifting and above all Christian manner. So thank you for the work you do. (I am not sure what ToS stands for though!)

ToS = Terms of Service, which is what everyone agreed to when becoming a member, but most never read it. If you scroll up, to the where you see the following:

Worthy Christian Forums » Inner Court » General Discussion » Christian Zionism ............................. ToS View New Content RSS Feed (Orange box)

and click on the ToS, you will see the Terms of Service page.

[rich08]

ToS = Terms of Service, which is what everyone agreed to when becoming a member, but most never read it. If you scroll up, to the where you see the following:

Worthy Christian Forums » Inner Court » General Discussion » Christian Zionism ............................. ToS View New Content RSS Feed (Orange box)

and click on the ToS, you will see the Terms of Service page.

Thanks - i didn't recognise the abbreviation - but I know now

I have read the the pinned topics in the Worthy Welcome section including the guidance on debating and think it is excellent advice.

If I'd been asked about this topic a week ago I would have had no idea that it could be such an emotive subject with feelings running high. Hopefully I can get some understanding on the topic so that (at least at a basic level) I can appreciate what the arguments are and how people have arrived there.

[Guest yod]

If I'd been asked about this topic a week ago I would have had no idea that it could be such an emotive subject with feelings running high.

Yea, Richard, the topic of Israel/Jews has been "hot" since Pharaoh!

I find that those who oppose Zionism only have one solution. Destroy Israel.

Why is it that the truth suffers most when this is discussed? For example, do you know that what we have IS a 2-state solution? The original land was much larger because it included Jordon, but oh no, the arabs were in an uproar so it was decided that arabs could live west of the Jordon, but Jews could not live east of it. That was called "Transjordan" and Israel got a tiny sliver on the Meditteranean instead.

Then 5 arab nations attacked Israel to push them into the sea and lost that war. Israel expanded like any nation who had just won a war would do. Every time her neighbors have tried to annihilate her, Israel has expanded because they WON the territory in a defensive war.

It's just insane how illogical people can be when the topic is Israel. If the logic used for the anti-zionists were employed equally, England would have to relinquish control of the U.K. and the USA would have to give back everything from the Atlantic to the Pacific, not to mention Hawaii and Alaska.