Races?

[Bold Believer]

That's all good. But racism is not a "white" problem. Blacks hate whites in larger numbers than whites hate blacks, blaming them for all their woes and problems. Sure, they have problems like unemployment, drug use, and violence. But it is not because whites have held them back, they do it to themselves. Every other minority that has come to this country, even the white minorities, have worked their way out of poverty and prospered. Yet, there are those who demand special treatment, preferential treatment, redistribution of others wealth to them. Now, don't everyone attack me for stating my opinion, don't accuse me of racism as I am not one. I am not afraid to say what I think while being sensitive to others feelings (I try, anyway). And this is one of those times.

I think it may depend on where you are. i've seen a lot of folks in the south that still just simply don't like black people for what they are. I've worked with people here in Oklahoma that truly do believ that they are a substandard species and shouldn't be treated as equals.

I also worked with several Black folks that were intelligent, hard working people, and were allowed to progress to thier potential..... I've had black managers that were as good as anyone and better than a lot. Two of the ones I worked with I consider as friends, and I'm very very paticular about who I call a friend. but I would say that those I worked with were very quick to play the race card with things were not going smoothly and that bothered me a lot......... but then again I've never been treated like I've seen some people treat them so maybe I'm just not as sensitive as they are about it.

But I know from experience that racism is alive and well in the Southern States of this country...... it's just not openly carried on as it used to be.

As the descendant of Southerners and further up the family tree, a number of Confederate soldier, I have a dog in this fight. I get sick of us Southerners being blamed for much of the institutionalized racism in the United States. That's just a bunch of baloney, and anyone with half a brain and a lick of common sense knows it. Much of racism comes from a very old teaching in the institutional Church that the mark of Cain was having dark skin. (This very teaching was the root of Mormonism's not allowing blacks into their Melchizedek priesthood.)

Black men fought in the Confederate Army as well as the Union Army. The Official Record of the War of the Rebellion refers to Lee having about 3000 men of color under arms. 'Under arms' means they were soldiers, not ditch-diggers as is often said. The man accused of founding the KKK, General Nathan Bedford Forrest, was a slave-dealer in Memphis TN, but when the war came along, he freed slaves who would fight in his cavalry.

"When the Civil War began, Forrest offered freedom to 44 of his slaves if they would serve with him in the Confederate army. All 44 agreed. One later deserted; the other 43 served faithfully until the end of the war. Although they had many chances to leave, they chose to remain loyal to the South and to Forrest. Part of Forrest's command included his own Escort Company (his "Special Forces"), made up of the very best soldiers available. This unit, which varied in size from 40-90 men, was the elite of the cavalry. Eight of these picked men were black soldiers and all served gallantly and bravely throughout the war. All were armed with at least 2 pistols and a rifle. Most also carried two additional pistols in saddle holsters. At war's end, when Forrest's cavalry surrendered in May 1865, there were 65 black troopers on the muster roll. Of the soldiers who served under him, Forrest said of the black troops: Finer Confederates never fought."

Interestingly, it was the Confederacy which had a Jewish Secretary of War and Secretary of State, the same man, Judah Philip Benjamin.

It was the UNION which classified slaves who wanted freedom as 'contraband'. An interesting choice of terms, given that the term refers not to PEOPLE, but PROPERTY. In the infamous New York City draft riots of July 1863, just after Gettysburg, rampaging crowds of whites ran through the streets murdering blacks (even children). The rioters' battle cry? "No more white blood for niggers!"

So kindly spare me the nonsense that the South is so prejudiced. It doesn't wash here. There are those here in the South who are prejudiced, yet when I lived in the North, I heard the word 'nigger' far more than I ever did in any of my time in the South.

[coheir]

Pigment is pigment. White, black, blue, purple, or green God made all of us in His Image. Love Bible songs and one should really serve as a lesson to us all. Here are the lyrics. I pray we each reflect on them.

Jesus loves the little children

All the children of the world

Red and yellow, black and white

They are precious in His sight

Jesus loves the little children of the world

My apologies for any offense caused. None was meant.

Just Another Sinner Without A Clue

Dani

I understand that, but th1bill said the region they lived in caused their features to appear. so I asked why they keep same features is raised in different region they should take on that regions features according to his theory.

Edited June 19, 2012 by coheir

[th1bill]

Pigment is pigment. White, black, blue, purple, or green God made all of us in His Image. Love Bible songs and one should really serve as a lesson to us all. Here are the lyrics. I pray we each reflect on them.

Jesus loves the little children

All the children of the world

Red and yellow, black and white

They are precious in His sight

Jesus loves the little children of the world

My apologies for any offense caused. None was meant.

Just Another Sinner Without A Clue

Dani

Dani,

I love that song because it is so theologically sound.

[AnotherSinner]

Pigment is pigment. White, black, blue, purple, or green God made all of us in His Image. Love Bible songs and one should really serve as a lesson to us all. Here are the lyrics. I pray we each reflect on them.

Jesus loves the little children

All the children of the world

Red and yellow, black and white

They are precious in His sight

Jesus loves the little children of the world

My apologies for any offense caused. None was meant.

Just Another Sinner Without A Clue

Dani

Dani,

I love that song because it is so theologically sound.

Theology is irrelevant. Jesus died for the sins of the world. If He had no care for the pigment of one's skin, gender one was, wealth one possessed....why on earth should we? God is love and sometimes....more often than not, that is too quickly forgotten.

[Guest]

Jesus did die for the sins of the world. But He came to and for the Jews, not for the gentiles. Then, once the Jews accepted Him as Messiah, they were to convert the gentiles. Matthew 15:21-28 says: "Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, 'Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.' But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, 'Send her away, for she cries out after us.' But He answered and said, 'I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.' Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, 'Lord, help me!' But He answered and said, 'It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.' And she said, 'Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.' Then Jesus answered and said to her, 'O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.' And her daughter was healed from that very hour."

[JohnD]

This how I filled in my army conscription papers on arriving at basic training...

Race: 100m

Sex: As often as possible

Religion: No thank you

Blood type: The red kind

That's when I found the army does not have a sense of humor, and 10 times around the parade ground with a full pack kind of confirmed it.

LOL

Many a fellow like yourself and me have paid a severe price for having the sense of humor that we do. That's for sure!

LOL

I remember in a Dallas mall almost 30 years ago my beloved was trying to explain to a snobby half-listening sales clerk that she needed to buy lace that was not Battenburg but very close to it... and the lady said "If it's not like this piece here it's not Battenburg..." real snooty on the word Battenburg...

So I chimed in... "What we have is more like bat and glove..." I said for shock value and humor because the two of them were not communicating. Neither laughed and my wife whispered very sternly and surprisingly deeply for such a sweet young thing "don't embarrass me!"

And I have been banished to the Disney Store at that mall ever since.

[JohnD]

Near as I can figure (and I looked into this some 25 years ago) the split of human "races" was at Babylon. It took more than just dividing people's languages to split folks up from the stronghold... sooner or later a bush would be understood by the different language speakers to be the same thing as whatever the rest of the folks called it... these were not dumb cave dwellers... look at all the ancient sciences and artifacts (like the Mayan calendar that is raising such a fuss lately or the Pyramids etc...). There had to be diverse culture and IMHO ethnicity to split man apart after that global flood thing a couple generations earlier... "you want us to split up into small groups and go off on our own???"

Their trepidation is understandable even if not according to God's will.

[th1bill]

Pigment is pigment. White, black, blue, purple, or green God made all of us in His Image. Love Bible songs and one should really serve as a lesson to us all. Here are the lyrics. I pray we each reflect on them.

Jesus loves the little children

All the children of the world

Red and yellow, black and white

They are precious in His sight

Jesus loves the little children of the world

My apologies for any offense caused. None was meant.

Just Another Sinner Without A Clue

Dani

Dani,

I love that song because it is so theologically sound.

Theology is irrelevant. Jesus died for the sins of the world. If He had no care for the pigment of one's skin, gender one was, wealth one possessed....why on earth should we? God is love and sometimes....more often than not, that is too quickly forgotten.

Dani, theology is never irrelevant and without trying to give you a, likewise, snappy reply, theology is what is being discussed. The theology taught in the Word of God is a many faceted subject and the point of the OP, mine, is just one facet to examine. I don't know why you snapped back at me, I was in your corner.

[th1bill]

Jesus did die for the sins of the world. But He came to and for the Jews, not for the gentiles.

P1, I'm going to need to disagree with you here. You appear to have taken part of the passage from Matthew 15 and Mark 7 and have missed the entire point or principle taught therein. The mission of the Jew was to spread the Gospel to the Gentile and they had failed to do so. Now, Jesus told the woman that He had not come to minister to the Gentile but you see, fine line here, He came for all of us but it was not His direct ministry. He did relent in the end because of her immediate need and that alone makes the point, He came for or that all might be saved. And in the Great Commission, Matthew 28:18b-20, this point is firmly established.

Can it be that you have just misstated your point?

[coheir]

Pigment is pigment. White, black, blue, purple, or green God made all of us in His Image. Love Bible songs and one should really serve as a lesson to us all. Here are the lyrics. I pray we each reflect on them.

Jesus loves the little children

All the children of the world

Red and yellow, black and white

They are precious in His sight

Jesus loves the little children of the world

My apologies for any offense caused. None was meant.

Just Another Sinner Without A Clue

Dani

Dani,

I love that song because it is so theologically sound.

Theology is irrelevant. Jesus died for the sins of the world. If He had no care for the pigment of one's skin, gender one was, wealth one possessed....why on earth should we? God is love and sometimes....more often than not, that is too quickly forgotten.

speaking for myself i was raised as racist but I was not taught to hate a person for skin color it was more for the things they done or did not do. now the people i grew up around may have had their hatred rooted in skin color but I never heard anyone say that the blacks were hated for the color of their skin. through out history there have always been

some really good black people and some really sorry low down no good white people. I do not use the color of skin I use

the actions of people black or white to determine if they a part of my life. I have a blood brother i wont let in my house cause he is and always has been a thief he has stolen from all six of my brothers, all four of my sisters,all four aunts, all 7 uncles from my mom, my dad and my grandparents and many neighbors all of whom have let him stay in their house cause he never seem to be able to get a job but in the end he always got kicked out or steeling. I know some black people I would leave a house key with if i went on vacation for a week and know I could trust them. I would not trust my brother with my house key. so where does that put me, if people are good we love and help them. If people are bad we try to help them.

sometimes you have to come out and be separate from certain people.