Should the Supreme Court strike down the healthcare law?

[SavedByGrace1980]

You can always go somewhere else to have a procedure,

I believe I already stated that.

Blessings!

-Ed

[SavedByGrace1980]

Still waiting for someone to come up with a better plan.

Here it is:

1. Go to the US Archives and get the original copy of the US Constitution. Have a huge burning ceremony. This will just formalize what is already "de facto" anyway.

2. Make all health care providers government employees. Then, our taxes will pay their salaries.

3. Have the gov't takeover all hospitals and clinics.

4. Everyone who shows up to be treated will be treated. First come, first served.

Then, everyone can form a circle and sing the praises of Government Run Healthcare. Hail Obama!

Blessings!

-Ed

Honestly, not a bad idea.

As long as step number one is done first.

Blessings!

-Ed

[Mark2005]

Within a month of the inauguration, perhaps Barack Obama will have a ceremony in the Rose Garden where he tears up a copy of the Constitution and announces the creation of a panel to write a new one.

[SavedByGrace1980]

Within a month of the inauguration, perhaps Barack Obama will have a ceremony in the Rose Garden where he tears up a copy of the Constitution and announces the creation of a panel to write a new one.

That's a good idea.

Perhaps after that, he can dig up Karl Marx, stuff him (like Roy Roger's horse Trigger) and install him in the West Wing so we can all admire him.

Blessings!

-Ed

[ByFaithAlone]

Should the Supreme Court strike down the healthcare law? After all, mandating individual citizens to buy a product/service is hardly constitutional.

I guess it depends on what parts of the healthcare law we are talking about. Personally, as a young adult who is going to be entering university, I appreciate my ability to keep my parent's healthcare for longer. I also appreciate that insurance companies cannot discriminate based on pre-existing conditions, tax credits given to small businesses who provide private healthcare, assistance for businesses that provide health benefits to early retirees and discounts for seniors on brand-name drugs.

I don't know if certain parts of the healthcare law are unconstitutional as there could be a strong case on the basis of interstate commerce and general welfare clauses (which I think is what Obama used in defense) but I think it is an excessive amount of spending, especially in this time. Then again, I would prefer this spending over our massive military budget if I was able to trade-off. Cuts in military spending and reinstating pre-Bush tax cut levels of taxation would be able to pay for a large amount of what we spend. But I guess that's my opinion

[ayin jade]

So because others cant afford it, suddenly I should not be allowed to have it when I can pay for it?

What else should we give to those who cant afford it? Where does it stop?

Yesterday someone actually said he deserved to have someone give him a tv. He felt entitled to it. Why? Because he did volunteering at his church. This is how low our society has fallen that people think they are entitled to free things.

Jade, I don't think I understand what you mean by if you have the money you won't be allowed to have some proceedure? Is that part of obamacare (if so do you know where so i can look it up?)

When the govt is the only one who provides healthcare, then you are forced into their system, their treatment plans. So when they limit what you can get, then you are stuck with it. Even if under the current system you could have paid for better treatment, you cant have it under theirs.

[ayin jade]

Still waiting for someone to come up with a better plan.

Here it is:

1. Go to the US Archives and get the original copy of the US Constitution. Have a huge burning ceremony. This will just formalize what is already "de facto" anyway.

2. Make all health care providers government employees. Then, our taxes will pay their salaries.

3. Have the gov't takeover all hospitals and clinics.

4. Everyone who shows up to be treated will be treated. First come, first served.

Then, everyone can form a circle and sing the praises of Government Run Healthcare. Hail Obama!

Blessings!

-Ed

Honestly, not a bad idea.

In another thread you told us if we didnt like things, we should move.

So Im telling you, if you dont like my country, move and get out of it. Do not try and destroy my country by getting rid of the constitution.

[ayin jade]

Within a month of the inauguration, perhaps Barack Obama will have a ceremony in the Rose Garden where he tears up a copy of the Constitution and announces the creation of a panel to write a new one.

Go back to canada and leave my country alone.

[other one]

Yeah, I am serious. Obamacare is too expensive for this country to support. It has increased the bureaucracy in our government expotentially and we don't have the money for it. It is a major finacial drain that we cannot afford. If we keep spending, spending spending, we will go complete broke. We don't have enough doctors and we can't afford to give free health care. It is unconstitutional to force us to buy health care, to boot.

If you truly love America, you can't support a system that circumvents what makes this country the greatest in the world. Obamacare is unsustainable and it is unAmerican. It is the product of a socialist mentality, not a freedom loving mentality.

If you like it so much, go live in France or go join Burning Ember up in Canada. But keep your hands off of the Constitution.

Well interestingly the mandate to insurance before Obamacare was put on the books was backed by several Conservative think tanks (Heritage Foundation) and I remember several Republican politicians agreeing that it was a good idea. So i don't think you can really call it a product of socialist mentality.

A couple of months ago I had to take my wife to the ER for something she got out of a pack of M&M's that stained her mouth and caused her mouth, lips and tongue to swell up.

The statement I got from the hospital quoted $2,300 dollars or so for the total bill for about an hours visit. However they had pre agreed with our insurance company that they would only charge $433, and our insurance company paid all of that. I called the hospital to ask why they charged so much but not for the insurance company and the manager that i talked to told me it is because most people who don't have insurance can't pay their bill, and the government mandates that they give them the service. They have to charge those prices so they can get paid enough to stay in business.

She also said that for the most part, the people who come in could usually get the same thing they get from the ER in a doctors office for less than $125. We might have done the same, but it was on a weekend and no doctors were available and it took a prescription strength antihistamine to make sure her tongue didn't swell up and choak her to death.

I hear all kinds of tails about how bad this bill is, but I don't see anyone really taking the whole bill and putting it all together to see what it's going to cost. I see the individual increases, but I don't see anyone talking about any of the savings, especially the long term program to check the reliability of implantable devices which are a huge expense to anyone who needs them.

I'm not a crazy liberal, but neither am I a pure die hard capitalist either....... I can see what that did to the country during the robber baron days. That created the huge fortunes that fed tax exempt foundations that are basically doing their best to destroy this country and instill a global government.

We do need a balance in the country and right now it's out of ballance..... but a necessary industry like the medical profession and the things that drive it can not be trusted to free market altogether. The insurance industry is about the most controlled business in the country, it's just managed by individual states..... and it's not working. While we do have a fairly good medical system in the country, it is not sustainable, and unless we involve everyone it never will be. And when it financially falters the whole thing will fall apart. doctors will stop being doctors and hospitals will close for the business model is failing.

[other one]

So because others cant afford it, suddenly I should not be allowed to have it when I can pay for it?

What else should we give to those who cant afford it? Where does it stop?

Yesterday someone actually said he deserved to have someone give him a tv. He felt entitled to it. Why? Because he did volunteering at his church. This is how low our society has fallen that people think they are entitled to free things.

Jade, I don't think I understand what you mean by if you have the money you won't be allowed to have some proceedure? Is that part of obamacare (if so do you know where so i can look it up?)

When the govt is the only one who provides healthcare, then you are forced into their system, their treatment plans. So when they limit what you can get, then you are stuck with it. Even if under the current system you could have paid for better treatment, you cant have it under theirs.

You are assuming that we are going to a system that they pick the treatment plans for everyone, as they do for medicare now. What the bill is doing is settting the minumum standards for insurance policies, and from as best I can read out of the mess, it pretty much is the standard that politians are getting now.

I've asked and asked for someone to show me within the bill where this bill will control what coverage that peopel can and can not get (outside of medicare). I guess I'm going to have to take a month or two and read the thing, unless the supreme court trashes it.

Whateve the case, unless medicare is changed, it won't effect me much at all for my wife has about the highest deductable coverage I've seen, and I'm on medicare. And not even the diehard coservitives are talking about changing medicare for people over 55.

I hear a lot of talk, but I don't see any real information except for he said she said stuff that mostly can't document..... just as I read here about HR3200.

So I repeat why shouild I trust any of you when you discuss this subject?