BE WARNED!

[OneLight]

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

"It is not scritural" WOW! you need to read your bible! This shows in a sad way how people are lacking in their relatioship with God. If God is confirming this same thing through so many how is it that you aren't seeing it? Just because it has not been revealed to you does not mean it can't happen. Remember it is important to not limit God to a book. We use the book to confirm what people say but he has plenty of verses to back him up. Just because your afraid of the subject doesn't mean you should try and make everyone afraid to stand up as well.

Are you defending scripture or people here? It is hard to tell, since you start with one and end with the other.

The scripture I place in bold tells us what I said, the young mend will have visions and the old men will dream dreams. SInce scripture does not contridict itself, show me where it is otherwise stated that what I read is false.

It sounded from your post that you are saying that one person can't have both dreams and visions. I know from scripture that they can. So to answer your question both.

Please do share!

[OneLight]

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

"It is not scritural" WOW! you need to read your bible! This shows in a sad way how people are lacking in their relatioship with God. If God is confirming this same thing through so many how is it that you aren't seeing it? Just because it has not been revealed to you does not mean it can't happen. Remember it is important to not limit God to a book. We use the book to confirm what people say but he has plenty of verses to back him up. Just because your afraid of the subject doesn't mean you should try and make everyone afraid to stand up as well.

Are you defending scripture or people here? It is hard to tell, since you start with one and end with the other.

The scripture I place in bold tells us what I said, the young mend will have visions and the old men will dream dreams. SInce scripture does not contridict itself, show me where it is otherwise stated that what I read is false.

This should answer your question;

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

Using 2 or 3 biblical referances show me what it is SPECIFICLY FORBIDDEN BY GOD for someone to be given both. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR OPINION, SHOW ME.

Just so you don't think I can't do what I asked you....EXPLAIN THIS if it's unbiblical!

Daniel 7:1

In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream.

Daniel 10:1

In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel (who was called Belteshazzar). Its message was true and it concerned a great war.^[a] The understanding of the message came to him in a vision.

Daniel had both too, so i guess Daniel was a liar also following false doctrine and speaking lies?

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

[firestormx]

firestormx

Daniel had both too, so i guess Daniel was a liar also following false doctrine and speaking lies?

I see offense here brother... I have been hearing God, and hearing prophecy for a long time. First if God told you to share it here, then it would have to have been a witness to at least a few. I recived no witness. Second, there would be no offense at all, or any attempt to defend on your part if it was from God. He that has ears to hear, let them hear... Those that don't, then Oh well.

Grace comes when we step back and ask God why it was not received and be willing to hear and make corrections. I have been duped by the enemy a few times thinking something was God. I have also heard God perfectly and did not give the message in the spirit of Love or in the right way so it was not fully recived. Both are not God's fault.

So ask why your message was not received? Is it everyone here being to spiritually stupid?? Was it really not from God? Was it not presented correctly? It takes a whole lot of maturity to operate in these kinds of things and growing up is an important step if we want to be used. Humbling ourselves is an important step for God to fix it, and give us more knowing we are willing to step out in faith.

Blessings.

It was recieved by some, I have been messaged personally by some who are hesitant to speak here because of the quick attacks. but it has been recieved. My heart pleads for all, and that's why I plead.

[firestormx]

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

"It is not scritural" WOW! you need to read your bible! This shows in a sad way how people are lacking in their relatioship with God. If God is confirming this same thing through so many how is it that you aren't seeing it? Just because it has not been revealed to you does not mean it can't happen. Remember it is important to not limit God to a book. We use the book to confirm what people say but he has plenty of verses to back him up. Just because your afraid of the subject doesn't mean you should try and make everyone afraid to stand up as well.

Are you defending scripture or people here? It is hard to tell, since you start with one and end with the other.

The scripture I place in bold tells us what I said, the young mend will have visions and the old men will dream dreams. SInce scripture does not contridict itself, show me where it is otherwise stated that what I read is false.

This should answer your question;

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

A man at work shared with me that he recently dreamed about a city 90 miles away from us being nuked.

My son shared with me that he had a vision, while awake where everything zoned out while the vision played out, where he saw the moon turn to blood and a nuclear blast ensue afterword.

I have experienced none of these things. I just keep having the Word of God speak to me and tell me what is coming on the horizon.

Gary

Yes, I love this verse. Yet, I notice that it divides the anointing differently for the young and the old. The young see visions and the old dream. Scripture does not tell us they will do both. We are told that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.

I guess people question when someone claims to have both dreams and visions from the same person, firestormx. It is not scriptural.

Using 2 or 3 biblical referances show me what it is SPECIFICLY FORBIDDEN BY GOD for someone to be given both. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR OPINION, SHOW ME.

Just so you don't think I can't do what I asked you....EXPLAIN THIS if it's unbiblical!

Daniel 7:1

In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream.

Daniel 10:1

In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel (who was called Belteshazzar). Its message was true and it concerned a great war.^[a] The understanding of the message came to him in a vision.

Daniel had both too, so i guess Daniel was a liar also following false doctrine and speaking lies?

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel.

[OneLight]

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Are you kidding me right now? Please tell me your joking? Are you really going to tell me that... WOW! ok, Christ came to fullfill the law not to do away with it. Everything you find in the NT you can find in the OT. If God can use Daniel in that way he can use anyone that way provided they seek him enough. Why do so many people limit God to only what they can understand???

Ease up on the sarcasm. We don't limit God at all, we rightly divide scripture and not take everything that is sead to mean each and every one of us. To say Daniel did it so I can also is wrong.

Enlighten us with your explanation of what the scripture meant then. It is written in both Acts and Joel, choose either ...

Acts 2:17-21

New King James Version (NKJV)

¹⁷ ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,

That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your young men shall see visions,

Your old men shall dream dreams.

¹⁸ And on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days;

And they shall prophesy.

¹⁹ I will show wonders in heaven above

And signs in the earth beneath:

Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.

²⁰ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

²¹ And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.’

Joel 2:28-32

New King James Version (NKJV)

God’s Spirit Poured Out

²⁸ “And it shall come to pass afterward

That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your old men shall dream dreams,

Your young men shall see visions.

²⁹ And also on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

³⁰ “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:

Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.

³¹ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

³² And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.

For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,

As the Lord has said,

Among the remnant whom the Lord calls.

[gdemoss]

To say Daniel did it so I can also is wrong.

Please help me see where scripture teaches that believers are expected to understand that things that apply to followers of God in the bible cannot apply to them.

Gary

[firestormx]

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Are you kidding me right now? Please tell me your joking? Are you really going to tell me that... WOW! ok, Christ came to fullfill the law not to do away with it. Everything you find in the NT you can find in the OT. If God can use Daniel in that way he can use anyone that way provided they seek him enough. Why do so many people limit God to only what they can understand???

Ease up on the sarcasm. We don't limit God at all, we rightly divide scripture and not take everything that is sead to mean each and every one of us. To say Daniel did it so I can also is wrong.

Enlighten us with your explanation of what the scripture meant then. It is written in both Acts and Joel, choose either ...

Acts 2:17-21

New King James Version (NKJV)

¹⁷ ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,

That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your young men shall see visions,

Your old men shall dream dreams.

¹⁸ And on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days;

And they shall prophesy.

¹⁹ I will show wonders in heaven above

And signs in the earth beneath:

Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.

²⁰ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

²¹ And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.’

Joel 2:28-32

New King James Version (NKJV)

God’s Spirit Poured Out

²⁸ “And it shall come to pass afterward

That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your old men shall dream dreams,

Your young men shall see visions.

²⁹ And also on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

³⁰ “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:

Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.

³¹ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

³² And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.

For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,

As the Lord has said,

Among the remnant whom the Lord calls.

The fact peter quoted it in the new testament is not the point, it is a OLD TESTAMENT verse. you can't pick and choose which verses you like and which you don't. GOD choose to give daniel both. It's doctrinal, also the verse you quoted never says ONLY these will revieve dreams and ONLY these will get visions. So I still await the SCIPTUAL PROOF that it is FORBIDDEN by GOD to give both DREAMS and VISIONS to the same person.

[OneLight]

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel.

God dealt with Daniel in a way He does not deal with people today. We no longer have the Prophets like those in the OT running around, but the gift of prophecy as stated in 1 Corinthians 12. Tell me, what does the verses in Acts 2:17-21 or Joel 2:28-32 mean to you when it says the the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams?

[OneLight]

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Are you kidding me right now? Please tell me your joking? Are you really going to tell me that... WOW! ok, Christ came to fullfill the law not to do away with it. Everything you find in the NT you can find in the OT. If God can use Daniel in that way he can use anyone that way provided they seek him enough. Why do so many people limit God to only what they can understand???

Ease up on the sarcasm. We don't limit God at all, we rightly divide scripture and not take everything that is sead to mean each and every one of us. To say Daniel did it so I can also is wrong.

Enlighten us with your explanation of what the scripture meant then. It is written in both Acts and Joel, choose either ...

Acts 2:17-21

New King James Version (NKJV)

¹⁷ ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,

That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your young men shall see visions,

Your old men shall dream dreams.

¹⁸ And on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days;

And they shall prophesy.

¹⁹ I will show wonders in heaven above

And signs in the earth beneath:

Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.

²⁰ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

²¹ And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.’

Joel 2:28-32

New King James Version (NKJV)

God’s Spirit Poured Out

²⁸ “And it shall come to pass afterward

That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

Your old men shall dream dreams,

Your young men shall see visions.

²⁹ And also on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

³⁰ “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:

Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.

³¹ The sun shall be turned into darkness,

And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

³² And it shall come to pass

That whoever calls on the name of the Lord

Shall be saved.

For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,

As the Lord has said,

Among the remnant whom the Lord calls.

It wasn't sarcasm it was shock! And that was my heart felt reaction. I will be praying for you! So much to say but I will leave you in the hand of Christ. Gods love to you.

I see ... make a cutting statement and then bow out when asked to back it up.

[firestormx]

Daniel lived before Christ, before we all have the Holy Spirit ... in other words, God dealt with people differently in the OT then He does today. Besides, firestormx is not Daniel.

Never said i was daniel, but it proves GOD CAN work through and deliever both dreams and visions to anyone he deciedes to. Also as someone else pointed out, the verse you quoted is ot as well. the book of joel.

God dealt with Daniel in a way He does not deal with people today. We no longer have the Prophets like those in the OT running around, but the gift of prophecy as stated in 1 Corinthians 12. Tell me, what does the verses in Acts 2:17-21 or Joel 2:28-32 mean to you when it says the the young men will have visions and the old men will dream dreams?

As soon as you answer my question and provide Biblical proof that is FORBIDDEN by GOD to give both dreams and visions. That it is impossible and never to happen. As soon as you show me I will answer this question.

And by the way, what about the verse, all things are possible to those that believe. If I believe GOD is able to work through me and show me whatever he wants, however he wants. If thats where my Faith is, and GOD meets it. who are you to say otherwise?

Edited June 21, 2012 by firestormx