tongues

[asper]

Great!!! so.............. I don't have a conclusion or start of a conclusion to the thread. Any thoughts?

Jesus Is Lord.

hi mike, sorry, i did not mean to cut you short. i like conversing with you.

i'm not saying that it isn't true but only inconclusive just like everything else from both sides about this subject.

[asper]

asper

Ummm.

Inconclusive.

I suppose if I met Bigfoot, standing my my garden. I could tell you about him, but with no pictures, or anything else but what I said. I guess Big foot would be also inconclusive.

I have been speaking in tongues for several years though, hang around others that do. To me it's pretty common. I hear it all the time.

I guess, you just need to go to the Garden, and wait on that bigfoot.

Your blessed!!!

Jesus Is Lord.

Hi Mike,

Nice one.

So you think that what you are seeing is always true?

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

1 Kings 22:19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Joshua 11:20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

So obviously I will have to reserve judgment on your personal testimony

For those who may have questions,

What really shows the difference between sons of God and those who are not. (no implication intended)

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

[nebula]

Asper - why are convinced that the gift of tongues as we know it is a delusion?

[asper]

Asper - why are convinced that the gift of tongues as we know it is a delusion?

hi nebula, that is not the case. tongues may exist today or they may not. i can speak in tongues but i do not because there is no proof either way. so i would rather be on the safe side.

the thing i do believe is that there are many delusional and false people that do many things.

look at the following verses.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

notice what was said,

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

so there is some that try to look like sheep but what are they really?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

so if there is good fruit and no evil fruit then you should be ok. (what purpose is accomplished, who gets the glory, who is made rich, does thier teaching agree with the Bible, etc)

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

does it say Lord, Lord have we not pretended to prophesy in thy name? pretended to cast out devils in thy name? pretended to have done many wonderful works?

no it does not.

but what did Jesus say to them?

i never knew you.

[nebula]

Asper - why are convinced that the gift of tongues as we know it is a delusion?

hi nebula, that is not the case. tongues may exist today or they may not. i can speak in tongues but i do not because there is no proof either way. so i would rather be on the safe side.

Matt. 7

9 "Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone ? 10 "Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he?

the thing i do believe is that there are many delusional and false people that do many things.

What does the gift of speaking in tongues have to do with false prophets deluding people?

[asper]

Asper - why are convinced that the gift of tongues as we know it is a delusion?

hi nebula, that is not the case. tongues may exist today or they may not. i can speak in tongues but i do not because there is no proof either way. so i would rather be on the safe side.

Matt. 7

9 "Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone ? 10 "Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he?

the thing i do believe is that there are many delusional and false people that do many things.

What does the gift of speaking in tongues have to do with false prophets deluding people?

Hi nebula,

Holy Spirit does not have to mean tongues. Please try to use verses in context.

When given a list of things mentioned that fit into a category it would generally include everything else in the entire category even if one or some are not mentioned especially if the one in the category is not fully revealed.

[nebula]

Hi nebula,

Holy Spirit does not have to mean tongues. Please try to use verses in context.

When given a list of things mentioned that fit into a category it would generally include everything else in the entire category even if one or some are not mentioned especially if the one in the category is not fully revealed.

Sorry, Asper, I am not understanding your train of thought. Please clarify.

[asper]

Hi nebula,

Holy Spirit does not have to mean tongues. Please try to use verses in context.

When given a list of things mentioned that fit into a category it would generally include everything else in the entire category even if one or some are not mentioned especially if the one in the category is not fully revealed.

Sorry, Asper, I am not understanding your train of thought. Please clarify.

i find that hard to believe but i will take your word on it. i don't think that you would lie to me.

the first part,

why did you quote this verse to me?

Matt. 7

9 "Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone ? 10 "Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he?

second part,

what group or groups could use this argument? (hint it would have to be the ones that do these things)

did we not prophesy in your name?

did we not cast out devils in thy name?

did we not do miracles in thy name?

and then would you say that every reply from them would be recorded? if so why?

Edited July 21, 2012 by asper

[nebula]

Hi nebula,

Holy Spirit does not have to mean tongues. Please try to use verses in context.

When given a list of things mentioned that fit into a category it would generally include everything else in the entire category even if one or some are not mentioned especially if the one in the category is not fully revealed.

Sorry, Asper, I am not understanding your train of thought. Please clarify.

i find that hard to believe but i will take your word on it. i don't think that you would lie to me.

the first part,

why did you quote this verse to me?

Matt. 7

9 "Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone ? 10 "Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he?

Did you begin speaking in tongues after asking to receive the Holy Spirit? If that was deception, would that not be as if the son asked for a loaf and he was given a stone?

second part,

what group or groups could use this argument? (hint it would have to be the ones that do these things)

did we not prophesy in your name?

did we not cast out devils in thy name?

did we not do miracles in thy name?

and then would you say that every reply from them would be recorded? if so why?

The apostles did all of these things, too.

[asper]

Hi nebula,

Holy Spirit does not have to mean tongues. Please try to use verses in context.

When given a list of things mentioned that fit into a category it would generally include everything else in the entire category even if one or some are not mentioned especially if the one in the category is not fully revealed.

Sorry, Asper, I am not understanding your train of thought. Please clarify.

i find that hard to believe but i will take your word on it. i don't think that you would lie to me.

the first part,

why did you quote this verse to me?

Matt. 7

9 "Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone ? 10 "Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he?

Did you begin speaking in tongues after asking to receive the Holy Spirit? If that was deception, would that not be as if the son asked for a loaf and he was given a stone?

second part,

what group or groups could use this argument? (hint it would have to be the ones that do these things)

did we not prophesy in your name?

did we not cast out devils in thy name?

did we not do miracles in thy name?

and then would you say that every reply from them would be recorded? if so why?

The apostles did all of these things, too.

Hi nebula,

I was baptized in the Holy Spirit so I really don’t see how your point applies.

Do you think that all who received the Holy Spirit speak in tongues?

To the next point,

Well I don’t think that these are the apostles that are saying these things but evidently there would be at least some others that exhibit these things who are not for real.

That is the point. Not everyone isn’t saved, but at the same time I would not say that all are saved.

Do you disagree?

Edited July 22, 2012 by asper