Trinity

[Guest suzie]

God is a Trinity-One God who exists simultaneously in three persons. Each is coequal, coeternal and copowerful with the other. Each person; Father, Son, Holy Spirit  is not the other. Without either there is no God- for all comprise the one God.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Munari,

I've always viewed "created in God's image" not so much as a physical thing for God (the father) has no physical being. The mind/body/soul aspect is ok as long as a person does not give those aspects to God, for God has no body. What I've always thought "in God's image" referred to more was that God created us with free will and he created us good.

I pretty much believed as you until fairly recently. It really has to do with power and authority.

Let me work backward for just a moment. We know that Jesus was made in the likeness (image) of man:

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

This word "reputation" comes from:

2758 kenoo {ken-o'-o}

from 2756; TDNT - 3:661,426; v

AV - make void 2, make of none effect 1, make of no reputation 1, be in vain 1; 5

1) to empty, make empty

[Guest suzie]

Jesus did not give up his deity--He did not cease to be God, however he set aside His right to glory and power while taking on human form. He submitted fully to the Father's will.

We are made in the image of God, in the sense that we are reflections of His glory--we have the ability to reflect His character.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Suzie,

Jesus did not give up his deity--He did not cease to be God, however he set aside His right to glory and power while taking on human form. He submitted fully to the Father's will.

You are absolutely correct, He was fully God and fully man.

We are made in the image of God, in the sense that we are reflections of His glory--we have the ability to reflect His character.

Adam did not have the ability to "reflect God's glory". Only AFTER the Cross did mankind (believers in Jesus) receive the ability to shine forth like Christ.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest suzie]

How do you get that dad? I dont agree

[Guest shilou]

Just an FYI the Trinity was adopted by the church in 325 AD. at the Counsil of Nicea. Thats a very long time after Christ was here and is not something Christ said. Also once Christ was made God then Mary became mother of God and was venerated. The Trinity caused much blood shed and after that the empire split. One half believing in the Trinity and the other not. The Roman empire fell, the black plague killed half of Rome, the time was marked by earthquakes, the dark ages resulted, Charlemagne the great was killing off what he called pagans, the crusades came along, and then the inquisitions. I find this to be very important because our first commandment is to not put any other Gods before God. At the time of the developement of the Trinity Egypt, Rome, and the middle East were saturated with trinities. When in Rome do as the Romans.

I become concerned when I put Christ's words up against that of our ideas for instance. Mark 10:18 Why do you call me good? Jesus answered. No one is good-except God alone. This goes all through out the Gospels of Christ, not always the scriptures of Paul, but the words of Christ are much clearer. He never refers to himself as God incarnate. As far as God saying that in Genesis we do not know who He is talking to so is it up to us to assume? In John God gives us His only begotten son, who sits at the right hand of the father. Is it just possible that Jesus is the son of God who sits at the right hand of the father. Christ is our king, our messiah, and our savior but does that make Him our creator? The more I read the Old Testament and the Words of Christ rather then Paul the more I am convinced that Jesus is Jesus and God is God. If you read the original Hebrew God has many Sons in the form of Angels, perhaps Christ is a chosen Son, one who was always there since our beginnings but was a created being. I also have a hard time believing that Christ desired 1000 years of blood shed for this concept to be shoved down peoples throats. This is something everyone should study because if we are calling Jesus God and he is in fact the Son of God then we are putting him before God. Religious systems are an abomination to God and this came from a religious system, not any direction from God or Christ.

I don't plan on arguing this with anyone, there is no point, I've been studying the history for months so if someone is just willing to look at the history they might come away with some of the same conclusions. Just remember it was Christ who said we would hold to our traditions of men, rather then the laws of God and maybe this is just one of those.

Love in Yeshua

Shilou

[Guest suzie]

I  would direct you to John 8:58

[Guest shilou]

Suzie I do know what you speak of, but if we are to go with John try 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the fathers side, has made him known. Now what exactly does that mean. So often we quote out of scripture to make our point. I'm only suggesting getting the whole truth and not just parts of it to fit what we want to believe. If no one has ever seen God then how can Christ be God? Perhaps Christ came and spoke the word of God, but was not God. In that way the word did become flesh, it spoke from flesh. Do you see what I mean? All I want is a clear understanding here. Christ clearly states over and over that He was sent by the Father, He never once said He was God. Not once. Read His words without reading the other peoples, He never even hinted at being God. Also look up the history of the trinity before disputing it. Two things concern me about the Trinity, putting another in Gods place, and it keeps us apart from others. The Jews know their testament which is why they can not except Christ as God. They were waiting on the Messiah not God, they already had God and they knew it. Especially since they were living in an environment saturated with this type of thing. Get into the history you'll see what I'm saying. Alot of people refuse to even look because they assume God gave us the Bible. Well he did in the Old Testament case, but the NT has been picked over so much it would blow your mind. I'm not making this up, I only seek the truth and I feel I can only trust Christ's words at this point, along with the Old Testament.

Love in Yeshua's name

Shilou

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Shilou,

As well read as you claim to be, perhaps you have overlooked these verses:

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? (SEE EPH 4:8-10)

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Do YOU know God's Name Shilou? Let's see if we can find a connection with the God in the OT with Jesus in the NT:

Exodus 3:13-14 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Matthew 9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 16:15-16 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? (ISN'T GOD ONLY GOOD???)

Matthew 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

Matthew 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

Matthew 26:32 But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.

Matthew 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Mark 14:61-62 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Luke 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Luke 22:27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

Luke 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 6:48 I am that bread of life.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.

John 7:29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

John 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.

John 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Can you denounce the fact that Jesus is The I AM?

Your Servant in Christ,

Dad Ernie

[jesusson]

Greetings Shilou,

As well read as you claim to be, perhaps you have overlooked these verses:

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? (SEE EPH 4:8-10)

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Do YOU know God's Name Shilou? Let's see if we can find a connection with the God in the OT with Jesus in the NT:

Exodus 3:13-14 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Matthew 9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 16:15-16 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? (ISN'T GOD ONLY GOOD???)

Matthew 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

Matthew 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

Matthew 26:32 But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.

Matthew 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Mark 14:61-62 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Luke 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Luke 22:27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

Luke 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 6:48 I am that bread of life.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.

John 7:29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

John 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.

John 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Can you denounce the fact that Jesus is The I AM?

Your Servant in Christ,

Dad Ernie

Good one my friend.

Shilou, are you saying that Jesus is not God. And if so How do you justify your false doctrine. I pray that God will open your eyes to the truth.

JOHN 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

JOHN 1:10 . . . the world was made by him

COLOSSIANS 1:16 For by  him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether {they be} thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col.2:8-9 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

ROMANS 16:26 . . . the everlasting God

Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the greatGod and our Saviour Jesus Christ."

Heb.1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God,is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."