Creation Evidence from South America

[Guest]

I looked at your links Joe, and I read most of it. So I guess this is going to become another one of the "matter of opinion" issues.

Compelling Evidence

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:26-27

[Oneaccords]

I'm really not convinced man did these things. I continue to believe they were done by the fallen angels. There are just too many other riddles and mysteries.

IMO this comes down to opinion. Call them fallen angels or call them aliens, but they did this. For me this is the new idea. The aliens many believe visit the Earth are the fallen angels of old. And perhaps they do use machines or something that looks like machines. Maybe they have to when they come to Earth. I don't know. I'm more sure of this. God doesn't like it when mankind accepts their help, and eventually He destroys the civilizations who accepted their help. The problem is I think we are accepting their help today, as I write this.

I'm not sure of any of the details, even as an opinion. I vary on what I think so no sense writing it down. But the conclusion is always the same.

Good reply.

There is worldwide evidence of the fourth dimension (spirit world) coming in contact with mankind, remember the angel that rolled away the stone? i think that mankind can only do to so much, there are these spirits that can jump in if God allows it, evil spirits can offer "technology" for service to them, could it be that the US gov knows more than the common folk who doesn't realize that the Nazi's were contacting these evil spirits too?

[JTC]

I think we knew the Nazis were contacting the evil spirits. I doubt this was common knowledge in the 40's, 50's, 60's or even in the 1970's. I think it started to become common knowledge in the 1980's. Maybe that was why the Nazi tanks and weapons were superior to ours.

I think you know I'm not big on believing in other dimensions. But that's an irrelevant detail. I choose to believe that in another galaxy, far from this one, immortality is the norm. Here's the problem.

I think in the book of Ezekiel, and maybe a few other places, the angels from God arrive in something that sounds like a machine. So whether the good angels came from another dimension or a far off galaxy, again the conclusion is the same.

But I think that perhaps quite soon, so called aliens will land and will change things on the Earth too much. I think they're here even now, and some of our politicians and business men are making deals with them. At some point everyone alive will be asked to join with them and get a chip implanted. That will be the Mark of the beast. But it won't seem that way, not to the world. This is why I keep saying they will appear in what seems to be machines, and maybe they are machines. They will offer us an easy way to live, just like they offered ancient man their help. But they were evil then and they are evil now. From what the Bible says, only we who are the very elect will know these aliens are immortal evil angels. So we will have to resist them. But this may not happen for a very long time, or a short time. And so therefore we must obey God, each and everyone one of us, as best we can. Jesus said some of us have more knowledge of discernment than others. Some of us know what sins are more than others. Jesus to him who knows what sin is if he does it it will be held against him. I'm less certain about those who don't know. But this is why we must all search our hearts and souls. We have to live by God. Because when all these things will happen, I don't know. But the Bible says they will happen and so I know they will.

[Oneaccords]

Yeah so much weird stuff has gone in mankind's history, the ancient aliens and the giants and Noah's flood well we can expect anything to happen in the future as way of aliens (devils) making official contact with the world's population. Satan's time is short so he will produce lying signs and wonders with no truth to them to try to convince Farmer Joe that they live in the Sirius galaxy. Much has been already preparation and that is hollywood films and these video games, getting people adopted to devilish entities so they wont be too shocked when these things crossover to this dimension to fool people. Even the very elect may have to put up with it, of course the truth is the Lord Jesus and i believe that God is still doing miracles today and that there is no competition between God's miracles and Satan's, God is the winner of all time.

[JTC]

I'm glad to see you more than less agree with me, because I've been carrying this idea alone for many years now. I didn't want to speak or write about it because I know it can cause other people to have doubts. It did that to me too. So I guess you can say I have been trying to make sense of this for over 20 years.

Non believers want us to think that these aliens are mortal beings come here as benevolent helpers. One thing I wrestled with was the description in Ezekiel of how the angels arrived that spoke to him. It sounds like a machine. Maybe even angels need machines to travel to Earth? We just don't know.

But I don't think we believers can ignore all this much longer. That was why I was hoping the man who made the video would have made the connection with evil angels, and the structures built with 20,000 ton boulders. He seemed to be going there. Especially when he said God has turned what was once fertile land into desolate barren land, and he connected it to OT scriptures. He was very close to saying this.

I also agree with you that we're being conditioned to accept these creatures through TV, movies and video games.

But all things in God's time.

[Sevenseas]

It wouldn't be logical for God to bring man into being to share the earth with dinosaurs. Resources consumed by these huge beings would be off the chart and man would not have survived. We would also be a food source for such creatures, with little chance of outrunning or fighting them. If that wasn't enough, how would Noah take even TWO 20 ton dinosaurs aboard the Ark? If you look hard enough you'll find someone touting just about anything. Common sense has to come in at some point.

Dont believe that the vast majority dinosaurs were smart or able to run fast, men could easily fell a dinosaur. The dinos on the Ark were small dinos. i dont see how it is so hard to believe that dinos and men lived together, any Bible student should be able to see that.

I'm a Bible student and I don't see that.

[Sevenseas]

i think they are good verses above that prove that dinosaurs were on the Ark, i just believe the KJV Bible rather than man's theories.

I guess the T Rex's ate the unicorns...so sad....one would have looked nice in my back pasture...

[Sevenseas]

OK...so anyone could guess that I have a problem with people insisting that the dinos and mankind lived together at the same time.

Theories on dinosaurs keep flipping...they used to be cold blooded and now scientists are saying warm blooded. We used to be told

that they laid eggs and then promptly forget they did and wandered off in search of someone something to eat. Now the word is out

that some hunted in a pack....and used intelligence to bring down their prey. Turns out that even flesh eaters may have had the

'honey I'm home' type of lifestyle.

Some scientists now postulate that T Rex (a fav of most dino observers) was NOT a meat eater...OK I don't personally believe that one,

I mean have you SEEN those teeth? Not made for eating a Caesar salad.

All kidding aside, I think we had an earth before the earth we know...yes the unpopular gap theory but I actually read that in the verses

before I heard it was a theory...yrs back...so, I dunno.....am I reading what is not there? But let me be clear (oh no where have I heard

that before?) I do believe God made ALL of it. I absolutely do.

I definitely think there is way more to things than we can even begin to possibly conceive of. And I'm not worried about it. I think

God has us on the 'need to know' plan...and I stay away from conjecture and weird theories that obviously do NOT support any

Biblical account.

Well, I think it's interesting to discuss and not necessary to argue about. I wonder why some Christians think you cannot be a

Christian if you happen to believe the world was not made in 6 days as we currently live them.

[Guest]

.... Well, I think it's interesting to discuss and not necessary to argue about. I wonder why some Christians think you cannot be a Christian if you happen to believe the world was not made in 6 days as we currently live them....

I Believe

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11

And The Key Word Is Believe

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Hebrews 11:3

That Old Earth Or New, It Will ALL Go Up In A Flash

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:7

In One Moment Of Divine Judgment

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11

And The Two Of Us

And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. Revelation 19:5

Will Worship

And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. Revelation 19:6-8

Together

Love, Your Brother Joe

[JTC]

Yes sevenseas, I agree with you once again. I don't think the 6 days of Genisis were 6 literal days. What's more I think the Bible supports this idea when it says that with God a day is like a thousand years. Again, not to take that too literally, a day with God can be like 1 million of our years, or any amount for that matter. I also believe God has us on the "need to know" plan.

I used to be troubled by all these things. I'm not anymore. I did used to feel a need to know. I used to pray to God and ask Him about this every night. Finally one night He gave me an answer. He showed me a vision in my mind. My question was, "how can it be that the Bible is true, but that also much of what science says it also true?" So in the vision I saw 2 things similar to an octopus but with an uncountable number of tentacles. And in the vision God made each tentacle join with the others from the other octopus, so that for a few brief seconds it all made sense to me. I remember saying out loud, "Oh, so that's how it works". But my puny little human mind couldn't hold onto all the knowledge God showed me in those brief seconds. But I did see it. I saw it, and for a small time, I knew how it's all true.

So since God showed me that I know the Bible is true and I know many other things are also true. Science changes as we learn new things, but the Bible doesn't. It was a wonderful revelation. Right now science says the Universe and the Earth is millions or billions of years old. But the Bible is still true. So the odds are the 6 days in Genisis were not 6 literal days. Now if science ever says carbon dating is wrong, and the Earth is only 10,000 years old, then we still have the Genisis story and perhaps it was 6 days more like 1 of our days. The amount of time is irrelevant. The important thing to know in Genisis is that God created all there is. That's the gold standard about creation.

As for dinos and man together, it can be true. We were taught it wasn't so, and therefore we resist the idea. But what has me sold on the idea are those ancient burial stones depicting dinos and men. How sure are we when those stones were carved? I don't know. But if they were carved about 3000 years ago then that lends compelling evidence to the idea that ancient man and dinos lived together. On some stones the dinos are killing a man. It could be there were dinos and men together on Earth, but the dinos may have been very few and very slow moving. In Jurassic park dinos were depicted as being very fast, very ferocious, and very smart. But 2 decades before that movie came out, dinos were shown in movies to be slow clumsy and stupid. When I was a kid 1 teacher told us a dino had a very small brain. Suppose they were as stupid as your average bug is? Man could have avoided them most times, especially is they were slow, clumsy and made noise coming. It could be.