Jew and Gentiles - who are the chosen?

[xBluxTunicx82]

How about that 'the Master' gives his 'servants'(Christians) knowledge and understanding, but rather than spread the 'wealth' we hold onto it, and never 'let our light shine before men', we are responsible for more than just 'witnessing' the glory of God. There are false prophets and false brethren in our midst, and we had best become aware of them as it is already almost to far gone to recover the truth behind many of our pulpits today. Trust NO MAN, only Jesus, as 'thy Word is truth'.

And as for Jews following Jesus, you are correct only in the sense that the term 'Jews' is loosely applied to both Jews (as in Pharisee, Talmudic, and Saduccee) and the Judeans--or the Israelites that dwelled in Judea. Remember, Jesus taught; "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 15:24 and commanded his disciples likewise in Matthew 10:5. Please don't attempt to somehow say that God has changed His mind since the Word was given to His people, Israel, thousands of years ago. God is eternal, and He is all things to all people.

Even the term 'Gentile' is applied to those same Israelites. Jew and Gentile, both are referring to Israelites, and not Jews. There is not one instance in the KJV or the Septuagint that states, 'the Jews are Gods people'. Jews have never had a king, they have never accepted Christ, they still speak a form of Hebrew, and still retain the name of Israel...when God prophesied through Jeremiah and Isaiah and Ezekiel, that the Israelites would, go by another name, speak a new tongue, live in a new land, have a king of the line of David forever, etc, etc. Who has spread the gospel to the corners of the earth? And who is it that continually seeks to destroy Christianity around the globe?

At least think about it for a minute, if the Jews were really 'chosen' why does Paul say that they are 'contrary to all men' in 1 Thessalonians 2:15, and why were people afraid to speak up for Jesus for 'fear of the Jews'in John 7:13, and John 20:19? Why does the Bible teach that the Jews killed Jesus? have you ever thought and prayed for understanding of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9? If not, I recommend you become familiar with these scriptures, as we are being deceived, and have been now for over 2000 years.

I will put out the same challenge that Henry Ford did...you find one verse in the KJV of the Bible, that proves that the Jew is Gods Chosen people (no footnotes or marginal statements allowed, this must be substantiated in the Word) and I will forfeit the rights to my home, my vehicle, and my bank accounts. Amen.

[xBluxTunicx82]

why can't anyone ever want to think logically and reason together in scripture? as soon as someone says that 'jews aren't chosen' people get all in a frenzy, just like the Pharisees of Christs time. If you want to got through life seeing through your own bifocals, be my guest. Judeo Christianity in itself is a different religion that Christ taught to begin with. I bet you just love Luke 19:27

[franciskelsey]

John 4:22

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

WHO ARE THE JEWS? WHO ARE THE ISRAELITES? WHERE DID THIS PEOPLE COME FROM? HOW ARE YOU SEPARATING THEM?

<< Romans 10 >>

King James Version 1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

19But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

20But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

21But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

<< Romans 11 >>

King James Version 1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller? 35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

MY FRIEND< JEW AND ISRAELITE IN THE BIBLE IS THE SAME THING, JUST AS AN AMERICAN OR AN UNITED STATES CITIZEN. I really am not sure where you are coming from or drawing your conclusions. Are you upset because the Jews are Gods chosen?

Only those in Christ will get to heaven but Israel as a whole will accept Christ at some point, though not all.

God bless brother

PS If I am mistaken what you are saying, please correct me and I apoligize.

[Matthitjah]

How about that 'the Master' gives his 'servants'(Christians) knowledge and understanding, but rather than spread the 'wealth' we hold onto it, and never 'let our light shine before men', we are responsible for more than just 'witnessing' the glory of God. There are false prophets and false brethren in our midst, and we had best become aware of them as it is already almost to far gone to recover the truth behind many of our pulpits today. Trust NO MAN, only Jesus, as 'thy Word is truth'.

And as for Jews following Jesus, you are correct only in the sense that the term 'Jews' is loosely applied to both Jews (as in Pharisee, Talmudic, and Saduccee) and the Judeans--or the Israelites that dwelled in Judea. Remember, Jesus taught; "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 15:24 and commanded his disciples likewise in Matthew 10:5. Please don't attempt to somehow say that God has changed His mind since the Word was given to His people, Israel, thousands of years ago. God is eternal, and He is all things to all people.

Even the term 'Gentile' is applied to those same Israelites. Jew and Gentile, both are referring to Israelites, and not Jews. There is not one instance in the KJV or the Septuagint that states, 'the Jews are Gods people'. Jews have never had a king, they have never accepted Christ, they still speak a form of Hebrew, and still retain the name of Israel...when God prophesied through Jeremiah and Isaiah and Ezekiel, that the Israelites would, go by another name, speak a new tongue, live in a new land, have a king of the line of David forever, etc, etc. Who has spread the gospel to the corners of the earth? And who is it that continually seeks to destroy Christianity around the globe?

At least think about it for a minute, if the Jews were really 'chosen' why does Paul say that they are 'contrary to all men' in 1 Thessalonians 2:15, and why were people afraid to speak up for Jesus for 'fear of the Jews'in John 7:13, and John 20:19? Why does the Bible teach that the Jews killed Jesus? have you ever thought and prayed for understanding of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9? If not, I recommend you become familiar with these scriptures, as we are being deceived, and have been now for over 2000 years.

I will put out the same challenge that Henry Ford did...you find one verse in the KJV of the Bible, that proves that the Jew is Gods Chosen people (no footnotes or marginal statements allowed, this must be substantiated in the Word) and I will forfeit the rights to my home, my vehicle, and my bank accounts. Amen.

Henry Ford was a racist and an anti-semite.

[Matthitjah]

Here's some scripture before you make a complete specktacle of yourself;

Ro 11:17

And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Ro 11:18

Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.

Ro 11:19

You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

Ro 11:20

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not arrogant, but fear:

Ro 11:21

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you.

Wake Up! The Hour is very late and much too late for the White Supremacist hate mongering that you are spouting.

It isn't your Kingdom that God has Grafted you into, it's His, and He decides the parameters, not you. The first of these is to Love God. How can you Love God whom you have not seen and who is bodily a Jew and hate the Jew that you do see?

[OneLight]

Since the OP is banned, the thread is closed. He is not here to argue his stance.