De-Evolution of Culture

[gdemoss]

Jon, had a bad personal night last night. Had nothing to offer. Today seems like it may be better. Yes, do not agree. No, wasn't that I didn't want to address your points, just not in a place I could do so. To top it off, demons were present in the home keeping me from sleeping.

I will say this. Yes, need to obey every ordinance of man for the Lords sake. No, that doesn't make following the ordinance of man necessary for a marriage to be valid in Gods eyes. And if witnesses are necessary then Adam and Eve were not married.

Take care, have a blessed day, and please pray that I have strength to face the day.

Gary

[GoldenEagle]

Okay Gary no worries. I think I can understand. Praying for you and your family bro!

His,

Jon

[thomas t]

And then comes the homosexuals. With the use of contraceptives, homosexuals can now make the argument that marriage is no longer about procreation. The purpose of marriage then comes into question, and homosexuals were able to legalize same sex marriage, and again the family structure is weakened. Now, that some states have same sex marriages, homosexuals want to adopt children. The adoption of children into homosexual families also has grave consequences, and again the family structure continues to weaken and go into moral decay.

Hello Selene,

while I disagree with the logic you have shown in the first part of your posting, I would like to adress the part mentioned above.

You start this one with "then comes the homosexuals" and complain then about things. I think this is simply slenderous. Wondering, why the mods didn't intervene.

You didn't provide any proof for what you claimed to be true, in my opinion..

Thomas

[GoldenEagle]

I propose the following consequences are the result of de-volution of cultures due to sin...

Summary of Sin's Progression in a Culture:

1. Mankind rejected God’s truth.

2. Not only that but we have suppressed God’s truth and followed after unrighteousness.

3. Because of Mankind’s rejection of truth we fell into idolatry.

4. This leads to fornication and adultery in heterosexual relationships.

5. This is the classic example of the consequences of men not being spiritual leaders in their homes, in the Church, and in society at large.

6. Marriage is no longer valued. So...

7. This then leads to unnatural relations between women.

8. This then leads to unnatural relations between men.

9. God allowed mankind to have a degraded mind and be consumed by all sort of sin.

Is this the case in the U.S. today and abroad?

Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?

The devil attacks the family structure. A stable family structure leads to moral values while a broken home can lead to moral decay. It's usually the woman the devil goes after. Even in the Garden of Eden, Satan approaches Eve in stead of Adam. In today's society, women are being convinced to be "equal" to men and part of that equality is to either take away or control her ability to bear children. When this is taken away from her or controlled through the legalization of abortion and the use of contraceptives, it only turns women to be used as objects of pleasure. With the use of contraceptives, the purpose of marriage is no longer about procreation as it was before. With the legalization of abortion and the use of contraceptives, men and women no longer need to feel any responsibility in the sexual act. This lack of responsibility on both partners has consequences, which weakens the family structure. What then is the purpose of marriage? When one takes away the purpose of marriage, couples can rationalize about living together. Women who are convinced of this "equality" then strive to take the role of being "Head of the household," causing disruptions and conflicts in marriage. This is one of the reasons why one of my friends ended up separated from her husband.

And then comes the homosexuals. With the use of contraceptives, homosexuals can now make the argument that marriage is no longer about procreation. The purpose of marriage then comes into question, and homosexuals were able to legalize same sex marriage, and again the family structure is weakened. Now, that some states have same sex marriages, homosexuals want to adopt children. The adoption of children into homosexual families also has grave consequences, and again the family structure continues to weaken and go into moral decay.

First Thomas let's look at the context of the comment by Selene which was in response to the OP (taken directly from Romans 1).

Hello Selene,

while I disagree with the logic you have shown in the first part of your posting, I would like to adress the part mentioned above.

You start this one with "then comes the homosexuals" and complain then about things. I think this is simply slanderous. Wondering, why the mods didn't intervene.

You didn't provide any proof for what you claimed to be true, in my opinion..

Thomas

Hi Thomas. The claim is Selene is complaining about things. So this bring me to three questions.

A. In general terms are homosexuals not arguing that procreation is no longer a factor when considering marriage? (artificial insemination, surrogate mothers, etc.)

B. In general terms are homosexual relationships something that one should approve of from a Biblical standpoint? (Please point to the passages that say two people of the same-sex can be defined as a marriage in the Bible so we can study this together. )

C. In general terms are homosexual relationships (two fathers or two mothers) as God intended marriages to be from a Biblical standpoint in the context of raising children? (If so please point to the passages stating as such so we can study this together. )

[thomas t]

I propose the following consequences are the result of de-volution of cultures due to sin...

Summary of Sin's Progression in a Culture:

1. Mankind rejected God’s truth.

2. Not only that but we have suppressed God’s truth and followed after unrighteousness.

3. Because of Mankind’s rejection of truth we fell into idolatry.

4. This leads to fornication and adultery in heterosexual relationships.

5. This is the classic example of the consequences of men not being spiritual leaders in their homes, in the Church, and in society at large.

6. Marriage is no longer valued. So...

7. This then leads to unnatural relations between women.

8. This then leads to unnatural relations between men.

9. God allowed mankind to have a degraded mind and be consumed by all sort of sin.

Is this the case in the U.S. today and abroad?

Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?

The devil attacks the family structure. A stable family structure leads to moral values while a broken home can lead to moral decay. It's usually the woman the devil goes after. Even in the Garden of Eden, Satan approaches Eve in stead of Adam. In today's society, women are being convinced to be "equal" to men and part of that equality is to either take away or control her ability to bear children. When this is taken away from her or controlled through the legalization of abortion and the use of contraceptives, it only turns women to be used as objects of pleasure. With the use of contraceptives, the purpose of marriage is no longer about procreation as it was before. With the legalization of abortion and the use of contraceptives, men and women no longer need to feel any responsibility in the sexual act. This lack of responsibility on both partners has consequences, which weakens the family structure. What then is the purpose of marriage? When one takes away the purpose of marriage, couples can rationalize about living together. Women who are convinced of this "equality" then strive to take the role of being "Head of the household," causing disruptions and conflicts in marriage. This is one of the reasons why one of my friends ended up separated from her husband.

And then comes the homosexuals. With the use of contraceptives, homosexuals can now make the argument that marriage is no longer about procreation. The purpose of marriage then comes into question, and homosexuals were able to legalize same sex marriage, and again the family structure is weakened. Now, that some states have same sex marriages, homosexuals want to adopt children. The adoption of children into homosexual families also has grave consequences, and again the family structure continues to weaken and go into moral decay.

First Thomas let's look at the context of the comment by Selene which was in response to the OP (taken directly from Romans 1).

Hello Selene,

while I disagree with the logic you have shown in the first part of your posting, I would like to adress the part mentioned above.

You start this one with "then comes the homosexuals" and complain then about things. I think this is simply slanderous. Wondering, why the mods didn't intervene.

You didn't provide any proof for what you claimed to be true, in my opinion..

Thomas

Hi Thomas. The claim is Selene is complaining about things. So this bring me to three questions.

A. In general terms are homosexuals not arguing that procreation is no longer a factor when considering marriage? (artificial insemination, surrogate mothers, etc.)

B. In general terms are homosexual relationships something that one should approve of from a Biblical standpoint? (Please point to the passages that say two people of the same-sex can be defined as a marriage in the Bible so we can study this together. )

C. In general terms are homosexual relationships (two fathers or two mothers) as God intended marriages to be from a Biblical standpoint in the context of raising children? (If so please point to the passages stating as such so we can study this together. )

Hi Golden Eagle,

let me first express my congratulations that you are now no less than a board servant among us. I want to thank every board servant for the work he or she is entertaining.

I think, the questions you ask are worth discussing them. I don't have the answers, I'm sorry.

The thing is, Selene started her paragraph by "the homosexuals" followed by general complaints. It was that what I disapproved of.

The ToS, that you surely take seriously, say "discuss the topic not the person". You could formulate "not the personS", as well.

Be blessed

Thomas

[GoldenEagle]

Hi Golden Eagle,

let me first express my congratulations that you are now no less than a board servant among us. I want to thank every board servant for the work he or she is entertaining.

I think, the questions you ask are worth discussing them. I don't have the answers, I'm sorry.

The thing is, Selene started her paragraph by "the homosexuals" followed by general complaints. It was that what I disapproved of.

The ToS, that you surely take seriously, say "discuss the topic not the person". You could formulate "not the personS", as well.

Be blessed

Thomas




I will continue to strive to honor God and speak the truth in love. Thank you for the encouragement Thomas.

My Opinion: Personally, I do disagree with Selene that women are the primary targets in the family. I think a strong argument could be made for both spouses. And a very serious argument for men being targeted even more so than their other halves. But that's my opinion.

Perhaps what you view as complaints Selene views as observations about homosexuals. The topic is homosexuality as pertaining to the Bible (clearly pointed out as a de-evolution of culture having to do with the OP and discussed in Romans 1 where the OP originated from) and not anyone individually or a particular poster. Have you looked at it from this perspective?

As a Christians we’re called to love people. This doesn’t mean as Christians we have to agree with a person’s choices or lifestyle that we believe is clearly contrary to Scripture. Would you agree?

From the ToS…

Debate the subject, not the person. It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating. Also remember that the fact that a person disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you as a person. Respect each other in the love of God! This is the main reason that threads get stopped, shut down, and even deleted! Users that cannot respect others will be banned. (Lev. 19:18)

But please going forward feel free to report posts with the button with a yellow triangle “Report” on the bottom left of messages and we will evaluate it further as a team. Or please feel free to use the PM feature or email.

From the ToS…

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God bless,

GE

[thomas t]

God bless,

GE

Good evening (?) GE,

thank you for inviting me to pursue any reporting according to the ToS. I just would like to add, that I didn't go that far to disagree with the moderation, here, I simply was wondering how the decision not to intervene, would arise.

Yes, of course I agree that a Christian can disagree with other people's choices.

Thomas

[thomas t]

What part do you disagree with? And how is it slanderous? Then comes the homosexuals......is slanderous???? You want proof? Proof of what? Have they not been complaining that they can't marry?

Hello Selene,

I disagreed with that part:

With the legalization of abortion and the use of contraceptives, men and women no longer need to feel any responsibility in the sexual act.

In your first part of the posting, you were complaining. The second part was introduced by "and then comes the homosexuals", as if they were a plague adding to all the things you complained of.

I don't want proofs from you. However, I perceived you didn't prove that through the legalization of same sex marriage the family structure is weakened.

Edited November 10, 2012 by thomas t

[thomas t]

A. In general terms are homosexuals not arguing that procreation is no longer a factor when considering marriage? (artificial insemination, surrogate mothers, etc.)

Not more than sterile heterosexual couples.

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but here (Europe) nobody is concerned about biblical standpoints about anything, sorry

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As above. Nobody really cares about biblical compliance, at least here in Europe, obviously.

Ciao

- viole

Hello Viole,

this is perhaps true for the village you live in. But please, don't draw any conclusions from your neighbourhood to Europe, thank you.

Thomas

[Guest shiloh357]

I am not sure about USA or your State, but here (Europe) nobody is concerned about biblical standpoints about anything, sorry

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So from what source of authority do you find the arrogance to presume to speak for all of Europe???