Another puzzle that we must solve

[7angel]

the disciple that he become like his teacher, no more

It has been discussed in this forum, how we will be in the resurrection ?, and Jesus says, we will be like him,

Moreover, pastors and priests are put himself in place higher than Jesus.

The pope calls himself "Holy Father" - a title greater than Jesus, the shepherds with their mega churches call to obey - and collect tithing, Jesus never did

Nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, no secret that will not be known

Many believe the Gospel, and speak of interpretation, but nobody says that the secrets of the Gospel, comes by revelation and not by interpretation -

and who have corrupted the Gospel or doing bad things, will be know

[GoldenEagle]

the disciple that he become like his teacher, no more

It has been discussed in this forum, how we will be in the resurrection ?, and Jesus says, we will be like him,

Moreover, pastors and priests are put himself in place higher than Jesus.

The pope calls himself "Holy Father" - a title greater than Jesus, the shepherds with their mega churches call to obey - and collect tithing, Jesus never did

Nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, no secret that will not be known

Many believe the Gospel, and speak of interpretation, but nobody says that the secrets of the Gospel, comes by revelation and not by interpretation -

and who have corrupted the Gospel or doing bad things, will be know

The passage means what it says.

I agree placing yourself above Christ is wrong. I'm not for anyone (Pope, Bishop, Priest, or Pastor) putting themselves and their teaching above God's Word - the Bible. That is a prime example of abuse.

Are you asking why they (Pope, Bishop, Priest, or Pastors) collet so much money?

The secrets of the Gospel are found in the Bible... God's Word is His revlation to us. Today I don't know that this is really a secret. As Believers we have mulitple translations of the Bible at our fingertips. (See link below) Do you mean hidden meaning other than what's in the Bible? As in new revelation? Sorry if that is the case then I disagree.

I do agree those who have taught false teachings contrary to God's Word will have to give an account for thier actions.

What is your primary or first language?

http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/

[nebula]

the disciple that he become like his teacher, no more

Do you mean:

The disciple is to become like his teacher, not more than his teacher. (?)

It has been discussed in this forum, how we will be in the resurrection ?, and Jesus says, we will be like him,

Moreover, pastors and priests are put himself in place higher than Jesus.

The pope calls himself "Holy Father" - a title greater than Jesus, the shepherds with their mega churches call to obey - and collect tithing, Jesus never did

OK, there is a problem with leaders exalting themselves higher than they ought to.

Agreed.

Nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, no secret that will not be known

Many believe the Gospel, and speak of interpretation, but nobody says that the secrets of the Gospel, comes by revelation and not by interpretation -

and who have corrupted the Gospel or doing bad things, will be know

I am still not seeing a puzzle to be solved.

Other than why do leaders exalt themselves? Is that your puzzle?

[7angel]

I'm Argentine, I have no religion, and all that, did not learn in school or any man.

I learned of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

I have seen the abuse of religions do not preach the truth, did not receive revelation.

They like power, fame and money,

The problem with the language used in the Bible, collides with human judgment because discover the innermost secrets of man .. is like a two-edged sword, penetrating to the bone.

And so I reveal how I was revealed to me.

I am a stranger, and always will be

[7angel]

the disciple that he become like his teacher, no more

Do you mean:

The disciple is to become like his teacher, not more than his teacher. (?)

It has been discussed in this forum, how we will be in the resurrection ?, and Jesus says, we will be like him,

Moreover, pastors and priests are put himself in place higher than Jesus.

The pope calls himself "Holy Father" - a title greater than Jesus, the shepherds with their mega churches call to obey - and collect tithing, Jesus never did

OK, there is a problem with leaders exalting themselves higher than they ought to.

Agreed.

Nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, no secret that will not be known

Many believe the Gospel, and speak of interpretation, but nobody says that the secrets of the Gospel, comes by revelation and not by interpretation -

and who have corrupted the Gospel or doing bad things, will be know

I am still not seeing a puzzle to be solved.

Other than why do leaders exalt themselves? Is that your puzzle?

King James Bible

Matthew 10

24The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

[The_Patriot21]

First off, I would like to urge you not to rely on human judgement if it clashes with the Bible-because the Bible, is always right, it is infallible. If something doesn't make sense to you about the Bible, that doesnt mean the Bible is wrong, it just means you dont understand it properly.

Second, if your going to post verses you really should add what you think they mean-just putting verses, in a quote to someone elses question, doesnt answer the question. And if you are implying that those verses mean that we are equal with God-then your incorrect, we are nowhere near the playing field that God is, those verses, are referring to people here on earth, that were all human-and equal, in Gods sight, regardless of our walk in life, you are equal in Gods eyes with say, your boss at work, the leader of your country, etc. etc. We are not equal with God.

[OneLight]

Thank you 7angel for informing us you are from Argentina. That explains the language barrier.

Tell us, do you want us to explain what we believe the verses say, or are you leading to questions we are not seeing?

[GoldenEagle]

I'm Argentine, I have no religion, and all that, did not learn in school or any man.

I learned of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

I have seen the abuse of religions do not preach the truth, did not receive revelation.

They like power, fame and money,

The problem with the language used in the Bible, collides with human judgment because discover the innermost secrets of man .. is like a two-edged sword, penetrating to the bone.

And so I reveal how I was revealed to me.

I am a stranger, and always will be

For reference this site translates Spanish and English: http://www.spanishdict.com/translation - Note: There are usually 3 options. I do speak a little Spanish and this helps choosing the best option.

(Para referencia este sitio traduce español e inglés: http://www.spanishdict.com/translation - Note: Generalmente hay 3 opciones. Hablo un poco de español y esto ayuda a elegir la mejor opción.)

Excelente. Tan ahora podemos entender que inglés no es su primera lengua.

(Excellent. So now we can understand that English is not your first language. )

¿Cómo has llegado a conocer a Dios como Padre, Hijo, y del Espíritu Santo? Fue simplemente mediante lectura de la Palabra de Dios? ¿No es maravilloso?

(How did you come to know God as Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit? Was it simply through reading God's Word? How wonderful is that?)

Si usted tiene un problema con la toma de iglesias en el dinero y el mal empleo del dinero que no es ninguna razón de no dirigirse a otros cristianos donde usted vive en Argentina. Si no le gusta la Iglesia Católica en Argentina hay muchos Bautistas, los Metodistas, los presbiterianos, y las iglesias de Biblia allí también.

(If you have a problem with churches taking in and mis-using money that is no reason not to talk to other Christians where you live in Argentina. If you don't like the Catholic Church there are plenty of Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Bible Churches there as well.)

Ninguna iglesia es perfecta. Las iglesias se componen de personas. Personas son pecaminosas. Las personas no son perfectas. Esto incluye a los cristianos.

(No church is perfect. Churches are made up of people. People are sinful. People are not perfect. This includes Christians.)

¿Ha oído hablar de koinonia? Es griego. Koinonia es una palabra griega que aparece 20 veces en la Biblia. Significado principal de koinonia es "compañerismo, compartir en común, comunión." Se nos dice en la Biblia para tener Koinonia con otros cristianos.

(Have you heard of Koinonia? It is Greek. Koinonia is a Greek word that occurs 20 times in the Bible. Koinonia’s primary meaning is “fellowship, sharing in common, communion.” We are told to have Koinonia with other Christians.

Para más información y pasajes específicos consulte este sitio Web: http://www.gotquesti...g/koinonia.html

(For more information and specific passages see this website.)

See: Acts 2:42

Philippians 2:1-2

First John 1:6-7

Romans 12:10

Romans 12:16;

1 Peter 3:8

1 Peter 4:9

Es maravilloso discutir la Biblia en este sitio. Sin embargo, La Biblia no dice que la Escritura es de interpretación privada (1 Pet. 1:20-21) Sugiero que encontrar a algunos cristianos en su área para ayudarle a entender la palabra de Dios.

(It is wonderful to discuss the Bible on this site. However, The Bible says that Scripture is not of private interpretation. (1 Pet. 1:20-21) I suggest you find some Christians in your area to help you understand God's Word.)

1 Pet. 1:20-21

NKJV, English

20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, ²¹ for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of Godspoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

NVI, Spanish

²⁰ Ante todo, tengan muy presente que ninguna profecía de la Escritura surge de la interpretación particular de nadie. ²¹ Porque la profecía no ha tenido su origen en la voluntad *humana, sino que los profetas hablaron de parte de Dios, impulsados por el Espíritu Santo.

[7angel]

Hola Aguila Dorada

¿ Quieres saber como fue la comunicación que tuve por primera vez con DIos ?

Fue así : Yo no sabía ni siquiera morder una oración, ni tenía la menos idea de que podía sucederme tal cosa, la de mantener un diálogo con Dios, ni en sueños ni borracho, pero sucedió.

Un pequeño grupo de personas, me impusieron las manos, caí en éxtasis, no obstante mi mente estaba más lúcida que nunca, y en ese momento se produce una comunicación telepática, yo escuchaba en mi mente una voz que me hizo tres preguntas; ¿que buscas? - ¿ que pides ? - ¿ que quieres ? - mi respuesta fue, no se - la voz me contestó, ** lo que tu buscas lo encontrarás en la Biblia ** - lo gracioso es que, yo no sabía que estuviera buscando algo - compre una Biblia porque no la tenía, y empece a leerla, pero, más alla de las historias que cuenta, no encontraba lo que buscaba - hasta que un día, al amanecer cuando recien empezaba clarear el día, me despierto muy lúcido, y en ese momento como un flash de milesimas de segundo, recibo la revelación total de lo que había leido en la Biblia duarante la noche anterior.

Entonces comprendi que, lo que yo buscaba, está escrito en toda la Biblia.

¿ Puedes comprender lo que dice Jesús en la siguiente lectura ? - no digo entender, digo comprender

Mateo 10

32 Al que me reconozca abiertamente ante los hombres, yo los reconoceré ante mi Padre que está en el cielo.

33 Pero yo renegaré ante mi Padre que está en el cielo de aquel que reniegue de mí ante los hombres.

34 No piensen que he venido a traer la paz sobre la tierra. No vine a traer la paz, sino la espada.

35 Porque he venido a enfrentar al hijo con su padre, a la hija con su madre y a la nuera con su suegra;

36 y así, el hombre tendrá como enemigos a los de su propia casa.

37 El que ama a su padre o a su madre más que a mí, no es digno de mí; y el que ama a su hijo o a su hija más que a mí, no es digno de mí.

38 El que no toma su cruz y me sigue, no es digno de mí.

39 El que encuentre su vida, la perderá; y el que pierda su vida por mí, la encontrará.

[7angel]

Disculpen por haberme expresado en Español - Espero que ustedes lo traduzcan al inglés - Gracias