Would Christians Ever Work for Big Oil?

[Fez]

The CEOs in charge don't care about the humans science, they just want their oil/money and whoever can find the oil sew the clothes in the sweatshops of Bangladesh is hired, locked in a factory, paid slave labor rates of $2 a day.

It has nothing to do with oil and science, it has everything to do with greed. We perpetuate it by demanding cheaper sneakers, clothes, gas, etc, and turning a blind eye to what it takes to get our "stuff".

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Please Fez,

don't speak on my behalf in this issue,

thank you.

Thomas

Ok no problem, but tell me, and this is not an attack on you, because it is how the world works, does the shirt you are wearing right now have a made in Germany tag? Britain? America? Mine says made in Korea, I just looked. Do you ask where the item you are wearing was made, and under what conditions?

But would a Christian ever work to support what is described by amnesty international as violating human rights?

Since 2006, more than 500 people have been killed providing inexpensive clothing to American and European chain stores. This particular company, Tazreen Fashions, produce clothes for giant retailers such as Walmart. (109 people died in a "factory" fire because they were locked in)

Who is the we Thomas? if not us?

See, we are all in the same boat, and my point is if we buy products from these countries, and demand the cheaper gas, the answer to the question you posed, is Yes.

And we do, so where does that leave us, short of just admitting we support human rights abuse, even if it seems to be in an oblique disassociated way.

It doesn't say. I am wearing my favorite shirt right now, made of organic cotton, so the cotton farmers won't die of pesticide poisoning. I am hoping that the one who has shown concern for the environment and the health of the farmers won't have his shirt worn at a death mill.

Yes the Tazreen story came to my attention. However, you are not knowing that I buy my chlothing at Walmart or the German equivalent called kik? They had recently a supplier having arranged things so horribly in their "factory" that the thing burned to the ground, as well.

Everyone knows that you should not buy there. But still, people do it here.

The post originally was about finding what Shell is going to turn into the fire of hell. I think, finding the wells to start with is quite crucial to what Shell is endevouring.

Have a good evening in South Africa!

Thomas

Not to be pedantic Thomas but this post is originally about,

But would a Christian ever work to support what is described by amnesty international as violating human rights?

And we in the Western world, knowingly, and unknowingly, support companies, not just Shell, who violate human rights. Want to talk about Shell and some of the other bigger oil companies? Check out their record in Nigeria.

And the sad thing is that either we pay a lot more for what we consume from ethical producers, or we refuse to buy from unethical producers, which means most of us would be walking around barefooted and naked.

The only answer is to support efforts to raise workers wages and working conditions in Asia, South America, and probably a whole lot of other countries we could name. By doing this we pay more, and put a large slice of said populations out of work.

There is no answer to the original question that will satisfy everyone. Most of us, if we were honest, ignore the question.

[nebula]

sorry if what i had said sounds as if i am stepping in but after reading what has been discussed i could not just stay silent amnesty has done nothing for the foreigners in bacolod jail one foreigner got raped guards did nothing to stop this from happening

Pay them more money.

Who should pay who more money?

Everybody of us complaining about amnesty not doing enough....

Are you saying we should pay Amnesty to do more?

Do you realize how wrong that sounds?

I wrote this line as a suggestion for my partner here in discussion damo1.

Thomas

I know you wrote this in a discussion with damo 1. However, the nature of a message board is such that anyone can jump into a conversation at any time. Likewise, being a public discussion, many people are reading what you post. And as a reader, I was unclear about what you were saying, and so I asked for clarification.

Now, do you realize that your response was bullying and inappropriate?

[nebula]

See, we are all in the same boat, and my point is if we buy products from these countries, and demand the cheaper gas, the answer to the question you posed, is Yes.

The same holds true for chocolate, the lead for our pencils, sugar, coffee, etc.

Oh, and let's not forget the materials for our computers.

[thomas t]

Now, do you realize that your response was bullying and inappropriate?

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Please Nebula,

stay real.

I did not write any bullying or even inappropriate remarks.

Are you saying we should pay Amnesty to do more?

Look, this is what I wrote...

sorry if what i had said sounds as if i am stepping in but after reading what has been discussed i could not just stay silent amnesty has done nothing for the foreigners in bacolod jail one foreigner got raped guards did nothing to stop this from happening

Pay them more money.

Who should pay who more money?

Everybody of us complaining about amnesty not doing enough.... [...]

Thomas

So, what is not clear to you? Could you please clarify?

Thomas

[Guest man]

One doesn't have to work for "Big Oil" in order to support "Big Oil".

A partial list of products made from Petroleum (144 of 6000 items)

One 42-gallon barrel of oil creates 19.4 gallons of gasoline. The rest (over half) is used to make things like:

Solvents

Diesel fuel

Motor Oil

Bearing Grease

Ink

Floor Wax

Ballpoint Pens

Football Cleats

Upholstery

Sweaters

Boats

Insecticides

Bicycle Tires

Sports Car Bodies

Nail Polish

Fishing lures

Dresses

Tires

Golf Bags

Perfumes

Cassettes

Dishwasher parts

Tool Boxes

Shoe Polish

Motorcycle Helmet

Caulking

Petroleum Jelly

Transparent Tape

CD Player

Faucet Washers

Antiseptics

Clothesline

Curtains

Food Preservatives

Basketballs

Soap

Vitamin Capsules

Antihistamines

Purses

Shoes

Dashboards

Cortisone

Deodorant

Footballs

Putty

Dyes

Panty Hose

Refrigerant

Percolators

Life Jackets

Rubbing Alcohol

Linings

Skis

TV Cabinets

Shag Rugs

Electrician's Tape

Tool Racks

Car Battery Cases

Epoxy

Paint

Mops

Slacks

Insect Repellent

Oil Filters

Umbrellas

Yarn

Fertilizers

Hair Coloring

Roofing

Toilet Seats

Fishing Rods

Lipstick

Denture Adhesive

Linoleum

Ice Cube Trays

Synthetic Rubber

Speakers

Plastic Wood

Electric Blankets

Glycerin

Tennis Rackets

Rubber Cement

Fishing Boots

Dice

Nylon Rope

Candles

Trash Bags

House Paint

Water Pipes

Hand Lotion

Roller Skates

Surf Boards

Shampoo

Wheels

Paint Rollers

Shower Curtains

Guitar Strings

Luggage

Aspirin

Safety Glasses

Antifreeze

Football Helmets

Awnings

Eyeglasses

Clothes

Toothbrushes

Ice Chests

Footballs

Combs

CD's & DVD's

Paint Brushes

Detergents

Vaporizers

Balloons

Sun Glasses

Tents

Heart Valves

Crayons

Parachutes

Telephones

Enamel

Pillows

Dishes

Cameras

Anesthetics

Artificial Turf

Artificial limbs

Bandages

Dentures

Model Cars

Folding Doors

Hair Curlers

Cold cream

Movie film

Soft Contact lenses

Drinking Cups

Fan Belts

Car Enamel

Shaving Cream

Ammonia

Refrigerators

Golf Balls

Toothpaste

Gasoline

[Fez]

Thomas are you having a bad day today. Something wrong?

Your responses to posts are not usually this short?

Halliburton is the only light among this priesthood of darkness?

... just a question, yes? And I hope you don't turn angry against me but keep to the style you have been adopting since I entered this site...

Please Nebula,

stay real.

I did not write any bullying or even inappropriate remarks.

And you ask me not to include you in my sentence using the generic we?

That's three very curt answers in a few short posts. Are you Ok, or is just the subject matter which you introduced that is upsetting you?

[OneLight]

The reality is that we use oil in many things. If you disagree with the oil companies, stop using their products, or products that use oil in them.

What is your real agenda behind this thread anyway? It does not seem to be if you work for an oil company or not.

[thomas t]

Dear Alan,

I don't have a personal agenda here. And I am wishing so much that one of the basic rules here at Worthy, which is "discuss the issue, not the person", could also be valid when it comes to my person, yes?

Have a good day

Thomas

Hello Fez,

well, in contrast to you, I find my answers polite. I don't think that they strech the ToS.

How come that you came to this judgement ("curt")?

Basically, things are allright with me. But, if I have to fear personal attacks, they probably will not...

And yes, I do ask you to not be included in your we, thanks. It is not that I think I am better than you. It is just that you don't know my habits....

Have a good day, you, too.

Edited January 12, 2013 by thomas t

[OneLight]

Dear Alan,

I don't have a personal agenda here. And I am wishing so much that one of the basic rules here at Worthy, which is "discuss the issue, not the person", could also be valid when it comes to my person, yes?

Have a good day

Thomas

Tell me, when people are not sure what you are getting at, who are they to ask if not you? It seem there are questions as to what you mean and where you are going here. Should we just assume we understand your posts and take shots in the dark, of s it more respectful to ask for clarification?

As an admin, it is my job to clarify when things are not clear and the OP refuses to do so. It is also my position to ensure that personal attacks do not happen, or that one person does not take authority of a thread by dismissing others or telling them to not respond.

I am well aware of what the Terms of Service implies, but I am thankful that you want to abide by it also. Tell me, is instructing another member to "stay real" not a personal insult or an attack?

Closing this thread.