The Ten Virgins - What is the parable about? Matt 25

[back2thebible]

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As I make my way through this post, it is very obvious that you continue to insult me. Please stop posting in this manner. For one, it is against the ToS. It is also the last resort of someone who feels they have to demean another in a discussion or debate in order to promote their argument as having more weight or the correct meaning. You are above this.

The First Resurrection does not happen until Jesus Returns,

Matthew 27:52-53

King James Version (KJV)

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Try reading very carefully and slowly,,

Graves were opened.....ask yourself Who opened those graves ? None other than Almighty God

Many bodies that were dead saints arose --came to life ...,ask yourself what is it called when dead bodies come back to life-it is resurrection

And came out of the grave after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Ask yourself what do you call it when God opens graves , brings the dead saints back to life so that they can appear to many people

but to you it is not a resurrection because it is not titled labeled as one even though it is

You continue to show that you place your assumed opinion higher and more valuable than any other source availble , I have provided you with an abundance of fact and evidence supported by the Jewish culture about the trumpet calls what they are for and why & when they are used

The Feast of Trumpets uses a pattern that will include each of 4 sounds of the shofar

the Feast of Tabernacles

1st) This sound is called Tekiah—a “blast” of the trumpet—meaning to “wake up!”, or “be alert!”

2nd) This sound is called Sh’varim—“short blasts” to be broken, humbled, ordered repentance.

3rd)This sound is called T’ruah—“Repeated short blasts”; an alarm; Get prepared!

4th)This sound is called Tekiah Hagadolah—“long tone”, it’s the Last Trump. Denotes Resurrection!

and links as well to help you

http://www.gotquesti...st-trumpet.html

You choose not to study the Jewish culture and traditions like the Feast of Trumpets which is exactly where the trumpet calls in scripture come from , Marv tried to help you , but you won't allow any help , your pride is preventing you from receiving info that can help you.

You may beleive whatever you wish even though you misinterpret scripture , and now you twist my words into something that never happened, I can say that you insulted me and you are as quilty as you want to say that I am ,but I unlike you don't look to fault people; everyone makes mistakes, it is part of the learning process , it is better to just admit when you are mistaken and learn from it it is not a big deal. I have noticed many times that you have told other people that they have misunderstood scripture and you take issue with others who don't believe as you do ,perhaps when you do it , it should be considered insulting them , I went the extra length to make sure you realized that i was not insukting you but now you have shown to do exactly what you accuse me of.

James 2:13

¹³ because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

one could easily say the resurrection began with Lazarus if thats the direction your heading, we see Paul teaching the Thessalonians that the first resurrection had not yet accured, you do realize this right?

No that is not the direction I was going , I only merely point out that scripture gives much detail of a resurrection having happened , that's all , people often think that things have to have very specific words before they accept what the scripture says,,example Most Christians accept that Jesus Is God in the human flesh form ,,,but even though there is an abundance of scripture that teaches us this there are some folks who argue that because Jesus did not say "I am God" in those words that he could not be God

Paul was teaching that the 2nd coming of Jesus had not yet occurred telling the people that before that could happen the "catching away" of the church would happen, and the antichrist would appear;; he was trying to give comfort to those who had thought they has missed Jesus return because of some false reports that had been circulating in the towns people who said Jesus had already come .

In order to understand the scripture I gave a person has to truly understand the true meaning and process of "first fruits' ...just because Matthew 27 did not say those many people who came from the graves came alive and appeared to many does not mean they were not resurrected, Even Scriptures says that when Jesus returns the saints are with him as he returns , they have already been resurrected and have their immortal glorified bodies while returning to earth with Jesus at his 2nd coming.

I am afriad I would have to disagree with that, are you implying that when we die we receive out resurrected bodies?

[back2thebible]

snip ...

As I make my way through this post, it is very obvious that you continue to insult me. Please stop posting in this manner. For one, it is against the ToS. It is also the last resort of someone who feels they have to demean another in a discussion or debate in order to promote their argument as having more weight or the correct meaning. You are above this.

The First Resurrection does not happen until Jesus Returns,

Matthew 27:52-53

King James Version (KJV)

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Try reading very carefully and slowly,,

Graves were opened.....ask yourself Who opened those graves ? None other than Almighty God

Many bodies that were dead saints arose --came to life ...,ask yourself what is it called when dead bodies come back to life-it is resurrection

And came out of the grave after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Ask yourself what do you call it when God opens graves , brings the dead saints back to life so that they can appear to many people

but to you it is not a resurrection because it is not titled labeled as one even though it is

You continue to show that you place your assumed opinion higher and more valuable than any other source availble , I have provided you with an abundance of fact and evidence supported by the Jewish culture about the trumpet calls what they are for and why & when they are used

The Feast of Trumpets uses a pattern that will include each of 4 sounds of the shofar

the Feast of Tabernacles

1st) This sound is called Tekiah—a “blast” of the trumpet—meaning to “wake up!”, or “be alert!”

2nd) This sound is called Sh’varim—“short blasts” to be broken, humbled, ordered repentance.

3rd)This sound is called T’ruah—“Repeated short blasts”; an alarm; Get prepared!

4th)This sound is called Tekiah Hagadolah—“long tone”, it’s the Last Trump. Denotes Resurrection!

and links as well to help you

http://www.gotquesti...st-trumpet.html

You choose not to study the Jewish culture and traditions like the Feast of Trumpets which is exactly where the trumpet calls in scripture come from , Marv tried to help you , but you won't allow any help , your pride is preventing you from receiving info that can help you.

You may beleive whatever you wish even though you misinterpret scripture , and now you twist my words into something that never happened, I can say that you insulted me and you are as quilty as you want to say that I am ,but I unlike you don't look to fault people; everyone makes mistakes, it is part of the learning process , it is better to just admit when you are mistaken and learn from it it is not a big deal. I have noticed many times that you have told other people that they have misunderstood scripture and you take issue with others who don't believe as you do ,perhaps when you do it , it should be considered insulting them , I went the extra length to make sure you realized that i was not insukting you but now you have shown to do exactly what you accuse me of.

James 2:13

¹³ because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

one could easily say the resurrection began with Lazarus if thats the direction your heading, we see Paul teaching the Thessalonians that the first resurrection had not yet accured, you do realize this right?

No that is not the direction I was going , I only merely point out that scripture gives much detail of a resurrection having happened , that's all , people often think that things have to have very specific words before they accept what the scripture says,,example Most Christians accept that Jesus Is God in the human flesh form ,,,but even though there is an abundance of scripture that teaches us this there are some folks who argue that because Jesus did not say "I am God" in those words that he could not be God

Paul was teaching that the 2nd coming of Jesus had not yet occurred telling the people that before that could happen the "catching away" of the church would happen, and the antichrist would appear;; he was trying to give comfort to those who had thought they has missed Jesus return because of some false reports that had been circulating in the towns people who said Jesus had already come .

In order to understand the scripture I gave a person has to truly understand the true meaning and process of "first fruits' ...just because Matthew 27 did not say those many people who came from the graves came alive and appeared to many does not mean they were not resurrected, Even Scriptures says that when Jesus returns the saints are with him as he returns , they have already been resurrected and have their immortal glorified bodies while returning to earth with Jesus at his 2nd coming.

I am afriad I would have to disagree with that, are you implying that when we die we receive out resurrected bodies?

Nope, if you were to die today you would not receive your resurrected body unless it happened to be at the same time as the rapture happens ,but the scripture indicates that those people who were resurrected in Matthew 27 received their body which is the only way that they could appear to the many people who seen them

well if that is true then Lazarus was in his glorified body, the girl named Tabitha, the young man who Jesus raised from the dead,

will the folks the disciples raised from the dead also be in their eternal bodies, such as the man Paul brought back after falling out the window, the boy Peter raised from the dead

if these people are resurrected from the dead and in there eternal bodies (ones that never die) where are they?

[back2thebible]

snip ...

As I make my way through this post, it is very obvious that you continue to insult me. Please stop posting in this manner. For one, it is against the ToS. It is also the last resort of someone who feels they have to demean another in a discussion or debate in order to promote their argument as having more weight or the correct meaning. You are above this.

The First Resurrection does not happen until Jesus Returns,

Matthew 27:52-53

King James Version (KJV)

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Try reading very carefully and slowly,,

Graves were opened.....ask yourself Who opened those graves ? None other than Almighty God

Many bodies that were dead saints arose --came to life ...,ask yourself what is it called when dead bodies come back to life-it is resurrection

And came out of the grave after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Ask yourself what do you call it when God opens graves , brings the dead saints back to life so that they can appear to many people

but to you it is not a resurrection because it is not titled labeled as one even though it is

You continue to show that you place your assumed opinion higher and more valuable than any other source availble , I have provided you with an abundance of fact and evidence supported by the Jewish culture about the trumpet calls what they are for and why & when they are used

The Feast of Trumpets uses a pattern that will include each of 4 sounds of the shofar

the Feast of Tabernacles

1st) This sound is called Tekiah—a “blast” of the trumpet—meaning to “wake up!”, or “be alert!”

2nd) This sound is called Sh’varim—“short blasts” to be broken, humbled, ordered repentance.

3rd)This sound is called T’ruah—“Repeated short blasts”; an alarm; Get prepared!

4th)This sound is called Tekiah Hagadolah—“long tone”, it’s the Last Trump. Denotes Resurrection!

and links as well to help you

http://www.gotquesti...st-trumpet.html

You choose not to study the Jewish culture and traditions like the Feast of Trumpets which is exactly where the trumpet calls in scripture come from , Marv tried to help you , but you won't allow any help , your pride is preventing you from receiving info that can help you.

You may beleive whatever you wish even though you misinterpret scripture , and now you twist my words into something that never happened, I can say that you insulted me and you are as quilty as you want to say that I am ,but I unlike you don't look to fault people; everyone makes mistakes, it is part of the learning process , it is better to just admit when you are mistaken and learn from it it is not a big deal. I have noticed many times that you have told other people that they have misunderstood scripture and you take issue with others who don't believe as you do ,perhaps when you do it , it should be considered insulting them , I went the extra length to make sure you realized that i was not insukting you but now you have shown to do exactly what you accuse me of.

James 2:13

¹³ because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

one could easily say the resurrection began with Lazarus if thats the direction your heading, we see Paul teaching the Thessalonians that the first resurrection had not yet accured, you do realize this right?

No that is not the direction I was going , I only merely point out that scripture gives much detail of a resurrection having happened , that's all , people often think that things have to have very specific words before they accept what the scripture says,,example Most Christians accept that Jesus Is God in the human flesh form ,,,but even though there is an abundance of scripture that teaches us this there are some folks who argue that because Jesus did not say "I am God" in those words that he could not be God

Paul was teaching that the 2nd coming of Jesus had not yet occurred telling the people that before that could happen the "catching away" of the church would happen, and the antichrist would appear;; he was trying to give comfort to those who had thought they has missed Jesus return because of some false reports that had been circulating in the towns people who said Jesus had already come .

In order to understand the scripture I gave a person has to truly understand the true meaning and process of "first fruits' ...just because Matthew 27 did not say those many people who came from the graves came alive and appeared to many does not mean they were not resurrected, Even Scriptures says that when Jesus returns the saints are with him as he returns , they have already been resurrected and have their immortal glorified bodies while returning to earth with Jesus at his 2nd coming.

I am afriad I would have to disagree with that, are you implying that when we die we receive out resurrected bodies?

Nope, if you were to die today you would not receive your resurrected body unless it happened to be at the same time as the rapture happens ,but the scripture indicates that those people who were resurrected in Matthew 27 received their body which is the only way that they could appear to the many people who seen them

your equating that the only way you could see a resurrected soul is if they are given glorified bodies and I'm sorry scripture shows the dead can be raised and they are raised in the flesh, just as Lazarus who's body was dead for days

[back2thebible]

we seem to have gotten sidetracked from the virgin topic why not start a thread on "when is or was the first resurrection"

according to Revelations it occurs in 20:5 ("This is the first resurrection")........doesn't get much clearer then that! (which we see contains those who refused the mark)

so I'm not sure how you can get around the timing happening any sooner then after the first martyr refuses the mark and is killed

anytime after we have a martyr in heaven under the throne who refused the mark can we expect the rapture

[rollinTHUNDER]

If you notice the whole teaching of all three of these parables (the faithful and evil servant) (wise and foolish virgins) (parable of talents) Is the same in each parable.............To be prepared, and to be doing the will of God

Hi back2thebible,

Welcome to worthy!

I agree with your statement above. But what do you believe the servants need to be prepared for, the rapture or the second coming?

prepared to meet the bridegroom (Jesus)

I have to say my biggest disagreement with interpretations of the wise and foolish virgins has to do with the analogy that the wise virgins had the (Holy Spirit) oil and the foolish did not

as we see they all were virgins, they all were waiting for the return, the Holy Spirit is not a comodity that can be bought or sold nor is it able to run out or be used up.

we see the wise directing the foolish to go buy some Oil (Holy Spirit) from a someone who sells Oil (Holy Spirit) this just is not a good interpretation

rather we see that some in the church are living in such away that they are unprepared for the return of Christ

while biblically Oil is always a representation of the Holy Spirit, in this case its just oil

The alternative is to say some Christians asked others to help us recieve the Holy Spirit and the Spirit filled Christians denied them saying there wasn't enough Holy Spirit to get them all saved as if the Holy Spirit is a limited power like a battery and can only last for so long

I agree. I think people tend to focus too much on the oil and what it represents. It seems that no one even notices that all ten virgins had lamps. The Bible says that God's Word is a lamp unto our feet, so I believe that all ten virgins knew God's Word. The difference is the oil the wise had. The wise were ready because of their preparation in God's Word. They were doers. I believe the foolish ones are also saved. They believed too, but they were too busy doing other things. So when the Bridegroom shows up, He recognizes those that followed His commands. But He doesn't recognize those who went off doing their own thing.

John 14:21

Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

Notice where Christ said that He would show Himself to them who keep His commands. I believe this is, yet, another clue about His appearing (rapture), not His second coming to the earth. This verse also happens to be from the same chapter where Jesus was telling His disciples that He was going away to prepare a place for them, that He would come again and receive them to Himself, that where He was, they would be also (John 14:1-3).

So what happens to the foolish virgins at this point? The wise told them to go buy from those who sell. The trouble is that because they were not ready, they will probably enter into the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world, to test those that dwell upon the earth. Unfortunately, during this time, no one will be able to buy or sell unless they take the mark of the beast. The foolish virgins will know that this is not an option, so they will be overcome by the beast (Rev.13:7-18) and become martyrs (Rev.20:4). But God will not pour out His wrath until after all of the martyrs are killed (Rev.6:9-11).

The only thing I disagree with you on is what happened to the foolish virgins, when the door is shut, it is the end of the road, there are no more chances to get right, or get prepared.............this is also why the left behind series is in error, if your left behind your end has been decided

Hi back2thebible,

Although that is a common view, it creates a stumbling block when we try to see the big picture. If the foolish virgins go immediately to destruction, this parable would then be like the sheep and goat judgment at the end of chapter 25. This creates more problems down the road.

If the wise virgins are raptured to safety, and the foolish virgins go to destruction, then who will be the martyrs that refuse the mark of the beast? And then, who will be left to re-populate the earth? It appears that your view requires that everyone who gets left behind will take the mark of the beast. Or am I misunderstanding you somehow?

[rollinTHUNDER]

Hey, candice!

Long time no see! Welcome back!

[oak]

** OOPS I walked into an argument due to briskly reading the posts; I'm sorry and will tone down my post wich was never meant as an attack. I took notice of this topic because I rarely disagree with Onelight or Watchman for that matter. I am here to address the parable of the "Ten Virgins." Before I share with you what I perceive to be the best answer. to the "Parable of the 10 Virgins, I wish to state that Christianity is a journey, a process. Here is a saints view of the parable whose name is, St. Seraphim. If you don't believe in saints think of him as a person who acquired a close contact with God:

"In the parable of the wise and foolish virgins, when the foolish ones lacked oil, it was said: 'Go and buy in the market.' But when they had bought, the door of the bride-chamber was already shut and they could not get in. Some say that the lack of oil in the lamps of the foolish virgins means a lack of good deeds in their lifetime. Such an interpretation is not quite correct. Why should they be lacking in good deeds if they are called virgins, even though foolish ones? Virginity is the supreme virtue, an angelic state, and it could take the place of all other good works.

"I think that what they were lacking was the grace of the All-Holy Spirit of God. These virgins practiced the virtues, but in their spiritual ignorance they supposed that the Christian life consisted merely in doing good works. By doing a good deed they thought they were doing the work of God, but they little cared whether they acquired thereby the grace of God's Spirit. Such way of life based merely on doing good without carefully testing whether they bring the grace of the Spirit of God, are mentioned in the Patristic books: 'There is another way which is deemed good at the beginning, but it ends at the bottom of hell.'

"Antony the Great in his letters to Monks says of such virgins: 'Many Monks and virgins have no idea of the different kinds of will which act in man, and they do not know that we are influenced by three wills: the first is God's all-perfect and all-saving will: the second is our own human will which, if not destructive, yet neither is it saving; and the third is the devil's will—wholly destructive.' And this third will of the enemy teaches man either not to do any good deeds, or to do them out of vanity, or to do them merely for virtue's sake and not for Christ's sake. The second, our own will, teaches us to do everything to flatter our passions, or else it teaches us like the enemy to do good for the sake of good and not care for the grace which is acquired by it. But the first, God's all-saving will, consists in doing good solely to acquire the Holy Spirit, as an eternal, inexhaustible treasure which cannot be rightly valued. The acquisition of the Holy Spirit is, so to say, the oil which the foolish virgins lacked. They were called foolish just because they had forgotten the necessary fruit of virtue, the grace of the Holy Spirit, without which no one is or can be saved, for: 'Every soul is quickened by the Holy Spirit and exalted by purity and mystically illumined by the Trinity.' [4]

Some of you were right on target with this opinion. To make anything grow we have to nurture it: as simple as flower -Oak

[gdemoss]

Salvation is not about Heaven.

This is the wisest statement I have ever heard uttered on this board.

[enoob57]

For reference, I do believe in a post tribulation rapture, though I acknowledge difficulties defending that point of view just as much as there are difficulties in the pre trib position.

God bless,

Candice

And I thought you were perfect...

[~candice~]

Hey, candice!

Long time no see! Welcome back!

Thanks!