Molinism

[childeye]

thank you.

1) do you believe an act of foolishness will deprive one from the kingdom of God, or will it be willful ignorance?

Good questions. The bible speaks of willful ignorance but this does not apply to those in the kingdom since one cannot get into the kingdom without submitting to the King. The foolish virgins appear to be waiting on the coming of the groom but failed to bring enough of that oil that would allow them to perservere .

2) wouldn't you say their foolishness was less a show of ignorance, and more like a lack of maturity? doesn't the parable convey a contrast in sincerity, and not nescience?

Everything I see is about submitting to Truth including the need for perserverance in a pure Love and faith in the same. There is a pre-requisite of sincerity or honesty for one to be led by the Truth. That is good knowledge to have.

3) what would you say made the prudent virgins, prudent?

I would guess they had considered that it might be a longer than anticipated wait. They figured they would be in it for the long haul and it wouldn't be easy.

4) aside from the oil, what do you believe the lamp signifies?

The Light of the soul. The ability to forgive others no matter what was done to them. The same undying Love we see on the cross.

[childeye]

i don't believe anyone is or will be condemned to eternal damnation if not by willing choice.

no one goes to Hell by accident.

I agree. The tares planted by Satan will be seen for what they are by the choices they make.

[Fez]

To me, all sin happens out of ignorance because anyone would have to be ignorant of something to go against God who is ever looking out for the best interests of us all... Apart from Adam being innocent in the garden and the Truth setting people free, I see nothing that I would consider as a will that is free.

Speak for yourself.

Every sin I have ever committed and will commit, is a free will choice I made, and will make. Such is the nature of the beast.....

Is it the nature of the beast or your free will? Is your freewill the will of the flesh?

Whether you like it or not, your freewill leads to your sin. You have a choice, and trying to explain sin away by saying, "Oh I never knew that was a sin, or I did not have that knowledge", will not cut it. There is no excuse for sin, there is only repentance and grace. It's really that simple.

We sin because it is in our nature, the sin comes from our heart. We as believers know we are sinning and yet choose to do so.

Where do you lay the blame for your sin? On who?

[OneLight]

Now to answer your questions ...

How would you know you were wrong without something good?

I had studied scripture and knew what I was doing. I also had His Spirit to convict me. I understand that blows your theory out of the water, yet it is the truth. Not every bad decision is made out of ignorance. There are other reasons behind why people choose to do what they do beside being lied to, duped or ignorant.

Actually One light, you verified what I said. See above, you say you had studied scripture and the Holy Spirit convicted you. Therefore you knew wrong with somethong good. Cetainly the Holy Spirit and the scriptures don't exist by your so called freewill. These things of God moved you as per faith by grace.

I may of verified the question you asked, but not your theory, which is what this conversation is about. I was not ignorant when I chose.

[childeye]

To me, all sin happens out of ignorance because anyone would have to be ignorant of something to go against God who is ever looking out for the best interests of us all... Apart from Adam being innocent in the garden and the Truth setting people free, I see nothing that I would consider as a will that is free.

Speak for yourself.

Every sin I have ever committed and will commit, is a free will choice I made, and will make. Such is the nature of the beast.....

Is it the nature of the beast or your free will? Is your freewill the will of the flesh?

Whether you like it or not, your freewill leads to your sin. You have a choice, and trying to explain sin away by saying, "Oh I never knew that was a sin, or I did not have that knowledge", will not cut it. There is no excuse for sin, there is only repentance and grace. It's really that simple.

We sin because it is in our nature, the sin comes from our heart. We as believers know we are sinning and yet choose to do so.

Where do you lay the blame for your sin? On who?

If I had a freewill I would choose to not be a sinner. Therefore I thank God for the Truth that sets me free. But here is a misunderstanding I would like to clear up. I never said "I didn't know that was a sin" or "I did not have the knowledge of what is right or wrong". The knowledge I speak of is the Spirit of Truth which testifies to God and the Spirit of Christ which sets people free from the slavery of sin. I willl let Paul explain.

Romans 7:14-20

King James Version (KJV)

¹⁴ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

¹⁵ For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

¹⁶ If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

¹⁷ Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

¹⁸For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

¹⁹ For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

²⁰ Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

²¹ I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

²² For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

²³But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

²⁴ O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

²⁵ I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8:1-8

King James Version (KJV)

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

² For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

³ For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

⁴ That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

⁵ For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

⁶ For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

⁷Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

⁸ So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

[childeye]

Now to answer your questions ...

How would you know you were wrong without something good?

I had studied scripture and knew what I was doing. I also had His Spirit to convict me. I understand that blows your theory out of the water, yet it is the truth. Not every bad decision is made out of ignorance. There are other reasons behind why people choose to do what they do beside being lied to, duped or ignorant.

Actually One light, you verified what I said. See above, you say you had studied scripture and the Holy Spirit convicted you. Therefore you knew wrong with somethong good. Cetainly the Holy Spirit and the scriptures don't exist by your so called freewill. These things of God moved you as per faith by grace.

I may of verified the question you asked, but not your theory, which is what this conversation is about. I was not ignorant when I chose.

You don't perceive what I am saying then if you admit you verified my point but still call it a theory. So let me say that I understand you knew it was wrong but did it anyway, hence this is not the knowledge you were lacking. That is why I gave you the scripture in Romans 7 which testifies that Paul knew what was wrong but could not find how to perform that which he knew was good. This is what you call my theory, but is truth: The Word of God is the Light and Life of man.

[Fez]

If I had a freewill I would choose to not be a sinner.

This then begs that you answer the question, which I will ask again.

Where do you lay the blame for your sin? On who?

[childeye]

Colossians 3:10

King James Version (KJV)

¹⁰ And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

1 Timothy 2:3-4

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³ For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

⁴ Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Romans 10:2-3

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² For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

³ For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

[Fez]

Colossians 3:10

King James Version (KJV)

¹⁰ And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

1 Timothy 2:3-4

King James Version (KJV)

³ For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

⁴ Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Romans 10:2-3

King James Version (KJV)

² For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

³ For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Please answer the question.

[childeye]

If I had a freewill I would choose to not be a sinner.

This then begs that you answer the question, which I will ask again.

Where do you lay the blame for your sin? On who?

Did you not read the scriptures I gave you?

²⁰ Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

³ For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

In other words Fez, if I hold other men accountable for their sins, instead of seeing it as a weakness of the flesh, I condemn myself. If I now wish to blame someone for sin, then I am going to be crucifying the Christ who is the one who took the sins upon himself.

⁴ For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

⁵ And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

⁶ If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

⁷ For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

⁸ But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.