fallen angels over the seven churches?

[back2thebible]

It makes ya wonder there. Ive wondered if the fallen angels has changed their minds and if they could be forgiven. I don't know if the forgiveness applies to them like they do us yet fallen angels are still Gods creation so that's a good question btb itd be an interesting study too.

My feeling is that they have fallen into their permanent state. I don't really have scripture for that, which is why I said 'feeling'. They are already eternal spirit beings, they cannot die as we can, to be ressurected with Jesus perfection. God so loved the world, not the fallen angels etc. I do not know what the redepmptive plan for angels could be. For us, faith is required, for them, faith is impossible, since they know perfectly well who and what God is, and rejected Him in full knowledge. Now that they have fallen, they are more evil and less capable of doing right than when they fell, so it seems like repentance would be impossible, just as it is for people, without God's work in us.

That is my opinion.

well I can only imagine that you know full well who and what God is and in full knowledge of this truth, do you still somtimes sin and fall short of the glory of God?, since angels can sin, do you think it might be possible that angels who follow God and the leadership of Jesus might slip up just as we do?

[back2thebible]

No, I do not think they can be redeemed. The bible appears to state that they are beyond redemption.

Matthew 25

41 Then He also shall say to those on the left hand , Depart from Me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.

Matthew 8

28 And when He had come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, two demon-possessed ones met Him, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one might pass by that way.

29 And behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with You, Jesus, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?

that maybe true concerning the angels that caused the nephilim before the flood

I see you have the view that angels mated with humans. I do not share that view.

Fallen angels are not part of the redemption Jesus came for.

but we also see a huge connection between earth and heaven, for what is bound on earth shall be bound in heaven, and what we see on earth there is a replica in heaven, as we are told about the temple in the old testiment, and as we see the new Jerusalem from heaven coming down

[back2thebible]

Does anyone really believe that God would place His children under the guidance and control of the fallen angles? I don't.

I see from my life I was not worthy of anything but death, then the blood of Jesus washed me, and I was redeemed, He put me in charge of others lives, and now I do my best to keep them

It appears in the bible God has mercy on whom He will have mercy, who do we see God putting in charge of His people, according to the biblical record, He choses the least of men, and in most cases the exact opposite than what we would chose

would you have chosen Saul of Tarshish, to be Paul one of the greatest leaders of the faith.

or David a young shepard boy, or Moses a man who was not well spoken,

even yourself should be an example, unless you were spotless from birth, and here God has allowed you to be a moderator and judge over everyone here, If we were to know all your past sins would we conclude it was a good choice

I don't think we can put limits on the power of the blood, or the sins of angels as being to great for the blood to cover.

as the bible clearly states in Colossians 1:19-20

^"19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, ²⁰ and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross".

considering you don't believe angels that sinned were reconciled, can you give me your opinion of what was reconciled in heaven according to this scripture..............I'm hoping you believe "things on earth" being reconciled are humans

How did you get to this question when I was answering if the fallen angles were over the seven churches?????

I'm just asking for your opinion, as I am not claiming anything to be fact and am only presenting a theory, we know from scripture that the blood of Jesus reconciled man to God here on earth, can you give me your opinion of what or who was reconciled in heaven as the scripture plainly states,

we know that angels can sin from scripture could there possibly be some reconciliation in heaven that the blood of Jesus covers

the scripture seems to say somthing gets reconciled in heaven what do you think it is?

this is just speculation of course!

All who put their faith in Christ. What is faith, if not the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Can the angels say they have not seen God?

was Jesus God?

[back2thebible]

Does anyone really believe that God would place His children under the guidance and control of the fallen angles? I don't.

I see from my life I was not worthy of anything but death, then the blood of Jesus washed me, and I was redeemed, He put me in charge of others lives, and now I do my best to keep them

It appears in the bible God has mercy on whom He will have mercy, who do we see God putting in charge of His people, according to the biblical record, He choses the least of men, and in most cases the exact opposite than what we would chose

would you have chosen Saul of Tarshish, to be Paul one of the greatest leaders of the faith.

or David a young shepard boy, or Moses a man who was not well spoken,

even yourself should be an example, unless you were spotless from birth, and here God has allowed you to be a moderator and judge over everyone here, If we were to know all your past sins would we conclude it was a good choice

I don't think we can put limits on the power of the blood, or the sins of angels as being to great for the blood to cover.

as the bible clearly states in Colossians 1:19-20

^"19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, ²⁰ and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross".

considering you don't believe angels that sinned were reconciled, can you give me your opinion of what was reconciled in heaven according to this scripture..............I'm hoping you believe "things on earth" being reconciled are humans

How did you get to this question when I was answering if the fallen angles were over the seven churches?????

I'm just asking for your opinion, as I am not claiming anything to be fact and am only presenting a theory, we know from scripture that the blood of Jesus reconciled man to God here on earth, can you give me your opinion of what or who was reconciled in heaven as the scripture plainly states,

we know that angels can sin from scripture could there possibly be some reconciliation in heaven that the blood of Jesus covers

the scripture seems to say somthing gets reconciled in heaven what do you think it is?

this is just speculation of course!

All who put their faith in Christ. What is faith, if not the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Can the angels say they have not seen God?

but can you give me your opinion of what was reconciled in heaven

[OneLight]

Does anyone really believe that God would place His children under the guidance and control of the fallen angles? I don't.

I see from my life I was not worthy of anything but death, then the blood of Jesus washed me, and I was redeemed, He put me in charge of others lives, and now I do my best to keep them

It appears in the bible God has mercy on whom He will have mercy, who do we see God putting in charge of His people, according to the biblical record, He choses the least of men, and in most cases the exact opposite than what we would chose

would you have chosen Saul of Tarshish, to be Paul one of the greatest leaders of the faith.

or David a young shepard boy, or Moses a man who was not well spoken,

even yourself should be an example, unless you were spotless from birth, and here God has allowed you to be a moderator and judge over everyone here, If we were to know all your past sins would we conclude it was a good choice

I don't think we can put limits on the power of the blood, or the sins of angels as being to great for the blood to cover.

as the bible clearly states in Colossians 1:19-20

^"19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, ²⁰ and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross".

considering you don't believe angels that sinned were reconciled, can you give me your opinion of what was reconciled in heaven according to this scripture..............I'm hoping you believe "things on earth" being reconciled are humans

How did you get to this question when I was answering if the fallen angles were over the seven churches?????

I'm just asking for your opinion, as I am not claiming anything to be fact and am only presenting a theory, we know from scripture that the blood of Jesus reconciled man to God here on earth, can you give me your opinion of what or who was reconciled in heaven as the scripture plainly states,

we know that angels can sin from scripture could there possibly be some reconciliation in heaven that the blood of Jesus covers

the scripture seems to say somthing gets reconciled in heaven what do you think it is?

this is just speculation of course!

All who put their faith in Christ. What is faith, if not the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Can the angels say they have not seen God?

was Jesus God?

Jesus was, is and always will be God.

[OneLight]

but can you give me your opinion of what was reconciled in heaven

Your question is too vague. Can you give me some depth to work with here?

[back2thebible]

but can you give me your opinion of what was reconciled in heaven

Your question is too vague. Can you give me some depth to work with here?

I'm simply asking what your opinion of what might of been reconciled in heaven, we know what was reconciled on earth by the blood of Jesus,

Colossians 1:17-21

For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, ²⁰ and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth OR THINGS IN HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

²¹ And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled

[OneLight]

but can you give me your opinion of what was reconciled in heaven

Your question is too vague. Can you give me some depth to work with here?

I'm simply asking what your opinion of what might of been reconciled in heaven, we know what was reconciled on earth by the blood of Jesus,

Colossians 1:17-21

For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, ²⁰ and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth OR THINGS IN HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

²¹ And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled

What is left to reconcile if we are already His? That is why I did not understand your question.

[ayin jade]

OK I can understand that, I was wondering what your opinion was of what then caused giants, I'm hoping you at least accept the teaching that giants lived on the earth, in relation to sexual unions of people, can you give me your opinion of why normal people had genetically huge offspring

Simple human variation. Have you compared the height of a Maasai versus a Bushman? if you live amongst Kalahari Bushman the average height is 1.2 meters (under 4 feet), with the Maasai its 2.20 meters (over 7 feet).

Compare the size of a Great Dane to a Chihuahua in dogs. A single species can have great variation.

[BlessedByTheBest]

i would say 9-foot tall mutant human bullies were the result of genetic impurity caused by incest.

12 toes and fingers i bet..<---just joking

when these fallen angels or demons "came in unto" the women, it can't possibly be talking about sexual relations.

it must have been a demonic influence that caused those women to commit sexual atrocities, like mothers with sons, etc..

which explains the continuously wicked thoughts of man, which explains the flood.

right? i mean satan and his cohorts couldn't possibly achieve what God did in the miracle virgin conception with Jesus' mother.

he could of course try to imitate..as usual.

H5303

נפל נפיל

nephı̂yl nephil

nef-eel', nef-eel'

From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.

H5307

נפל

nâphal

naw-fal'

A primitive root; to fall, in a great variety of applications (intransitively or causatively, literally or figuratively): - be accepted, cast (down, self, [lots], out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell (-ing), fugitive, have [inheritamce], inferior, be judged [by mistake for H6419], lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be (X hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present (-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, X surely, throw down.

or in short, "Giant" = "Fallen one"

please forgive me, i always try not to stray from the topic's theme of discussion.