The gathering of the elect

[wingnut-]

1 Followers of Christ

2 the rapture

[Jonah'sJourney]

I think it's speaking of the regathering of Israel from among the nations. There are lots of OT scriptures relating to the regathering.

[OneLight]

The Jewish people have been returning to Israel for many years now. I don't see the verses referring to Israel as a nation.

[Montana Marv]

To gather his elect from: The four winds (here on earth). One end of heaven to the other.

Elect are those chosen by God. The elect are those who have been Justified by God, redeemed by God.

They include:

OT Saints

NT Saints/Bride of Christ

144,000

Tribulation Saints

The elect of Israel

Angels are even referred to as elect.

One must decide which group or groups exist here on earth at this time of gathering, and which group or groups are in heaven at this gathering. It does not say that they all have been changed into their new resurrected bodies.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Jonah'sJourney]

The Jewish people have been returning to Israel for many years now. I don't see the verses referring to Israel as a nation.

That is true, and I believe the Lord is at work in that. But they aren't returning as believers to a nation that acknowledges God, as will be the case in the future.

Here are some of the OT passages that talk about Israel's scattering and regathering in the last days:

Deut 4.26-30

Deut 30.1-6

Isaiah 11.11-12 the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people . . . and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Isa 41.9

Isa 56.8

Jer 3.12-18

Jer 16.14-18

Jer 23.1-8

Jer 30.3 note that it includes both Israel and Judah

Jer 31.7-10

Jer 32.37

Ezek 11.16-20

Ezek 11.17-20

Ezek 20.34-36, 41-42

Ezek 36.24-25

Ezek 37.16-28

Ezek 38.8b

Ezek 39.22-29

Hosea 3.4-5 For the sons of Israel will remain for many days without a king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar and without ephod or household idols. Afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the Lord their God and David their king; and they will come trembling to the Lord and to His goodness in the last days

Micah 5.3

Zech 8.7-8

Zech 10.8-10

[Jonah'sJourney]

This topic poses two questions:

(1) Who are the elect being gathered in the passage below?

(2) What is the purpose of this gathering?

Open your Bible to Matthew chapter 24.

Verses 29-31 have specifically to do with "But immediately after the tribulation of those days." These are all things that will happen after the tribulation, including the gathering of the elect in verse 31.

Now look at verses 15-22. These are all things that have to do with that same tribulation. Notice in verse 16 who Jesus is referring to in this passage: "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." He's speaking to those who live in Judea at the time--Jews. In verse 22 it says, "but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short." Again, the immediate context concerns Jews.

The word for "elect" (eklektous) in 24:22 is the same word for "elect" in 24:31.

At his coming, the Lord will begin to gather together the elect of Israel from among the nations and bring them again into the land. I provided several OT scriptures relating to this in the post above.

[Guest]

I happen to beleive that the elect, are those chosen before the foundation of the world, Christ's own, whether Jew or Gentile. I believe the gathering of the elect in Matt 24, is the post tribulation (the only) rapture, spoken of in 1 Thess 4:17.

[OneLight]

The Jewish people have been returning to Israel for many years now. I don't see the verses referring to Israel as a nation.

That is true, and I believe the Lord is at work in that. But they aren't returning as believers to a nation that acknowledges God, as will be the case in the future.

Here are some of the OT passages that talk about Israel's scattering and regathering in the last days:

Deut 4.26-30

Deut 30.1-6

Isaiah 11.11-12 the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people . . . and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Isa 41.9

Isa 56.8

Jer 3.12-18

Jer 16.14-18

Jer 23.1-8

Jer 30.3 note that it includes both Israel and Judah

Jer 31.7-10

Jer 32.37

Ezek 11.16-20

Ezek 11.17-20

Ezek 20.34-36, 41-42

Ezek 36.24-25

Ezek 37.16-28

Ezek 38.8b

Ezek 39.22-29

Hosea 3.4-5 For the sons of Israel will remain for many days without a king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar and without ephod or household idols. Afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the Lord their God and David their king; and they will come trembling to the Lord and to His goodness in the last days

Micah 5.3

Zech 8.7-8

Zech 10.8-10

Nobody is trying to say that the Israelite nation is not being gathered, just that this is not what is being referred to in the verse.

[Guest]

The Rapture has already occurred at this time. Matthew 24:30-31 contains no reference to the resurrection or glorifying of any saints. The discourse is in answer to questions about the future of Israel and the millennial kingdom, not the Church, At the Rapture, it is the Lord Himself who catches the believers up, in these verses the angels gather the elect together; the believers ascend in the Rapture but not in these verses. Therefore, the elect would be those who have survived the Tribulation as Believers. Remember, only believers will enter the Millennial Kingdom. They must be mortal in order to repopulate the Earth. They must have free will so that their children will have the option of accepting Christ or rejecting Him.