Revelation 1:7

[Montana Marv]

Lamad

 

1.  The First Rider is not the HS  The HS has never received a crown (stephanos)  This is a lessor crown.  Christ is the only one of the Godhead who rides on a White horse, He wears a royal diadem (crown for the King of Kings.  He is our redeemer.  The HS is our comforter, He interprets our prayers.

 

2.  The Second Rider takes peace from the earth  (there will be wars and rumors of wars) - started when Cain killed Abel.  But when the 7 year agreement is signed, there will be peace for 42 months, then the A/D.

 

3.  The Third Rider brings sword, famine and plague to bring chaos.

 

None of these have happened as yet.  The second, third and fourth horses do not ride together, they come is sequential order. lecoopwas one who had like responses as does Matthew Henry's commentary.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Willa]

Marv, in 19:11 Jesus has many crowns, and He returns with many riding horses who are clothed in white linen. It is also possible that the one on a white horse wearing a single crown in 6:2 was a false Christ, the antichrist, even.

An honost question: who are the 24 elders?

[Montana Marv]

Marv, in 19:11 Jesus has many crowns, and He returns with many riding horses who are clothed in white linen. It is also possible that the one on a white horse wearing a single crown in 6:2 was a false Christ, the antichrist, even.

An honost question: who are the 24 elders?

 

I go one step further;  The beast of Rev 13:2 had a fatal wound (human), false resurrection, then a False prophet.  Then the dragon in Rev 16:13;  When he come on the scene?  For he is angelic, as is the one on the White horse come down from heaven in the !st Seal.

 

The 24 elders.  Two possibilities;  12 from each tribe of Israel and 12 from the apostles.  Not real good, because All of the Church are as one being the Bride.  Another possibility is, some others in angelic nature,  for there are the four living creatures and the 24 elders all  (all angelic) surrounding the Throne, this is a better view IMO.  No mention of them reigning with Christ as we will.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[iamlamad]

Lamad

 

1.  The First Rider is not the HS  The HS has never received a crown (stephanos)  This is a lessor crown.  Christ is the only one of the Godhead who rides on a White horse, He wears a royal diadem (crown for the King of Kings.  He is our redeemer.  The HS is our comforter, He interprets our prayers.

 

2.  The Second Rider takes peace from the earth  (there will be wars and rumors of wars) - started when Cain killed Abel.  But when the 7 year agreement is signed, there will be peace for 42 months, then the A/D.

 

3.  The Third Rider brings sword, famine and plague to bring chaos.

 

None of these have happened as yet.  The second, third and fourth horses do not ride together, they come is sequential order. lecoopwas one who had like responses as does Matthew Henry's commentary.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

Marv, where did you EVER read this? I said the first horse and rider are to represent the CHURCH! They were sent out to make disciples of all nations, about 32 AD, just when Jesus broke this first seal.  John used white I think 17 times in the book of Revelation, all other times to represent righteousness. We can be absolutely SURE this white horse represents righteousness also. Of course, Jesus is the HEAD of the church.

 

WHEN in your mind, does the Beast take down three kings? I believe this will happen in the first half of the week. It is only a guess. Remember, the first half will be the first 6 trumpets. Perhaps that is why there is "peace," Who wants to war when they are being stung by the flying beasties that sting like scorpions? then, also the 6th that takes out 1/3 of the planet. Perhaps you are right, perhaps he takes out the three kings BEFORE  these trumpet judgments. I don't believe ANY of these seals were broken before Jesus rose from the dead (Cain and Abel). He broke the first five as soon as He ascended into heaven.  The Red, the Black and the Pale were Satan's attempt to stop the advance of the church.  Remember, they were LIMITED in their theater of operations to 1/4 the earth. We can be sure, that 1/4 centered on Israel. I am sure the devil was confident he could keep the church from getting out of his 1/4th. Or course he failed!  Did you notice that these three, the Red, the Black and the Pale ride together, apart from the white?

 

By the way, I AM Lecoop. But I forgot that I was on this site, so I entered again. You are mistaken, all the wars in Europe over the church age has been caused by the Red horse. I think you really need to read chapters 4 &5 until you understand the timing. Look again: John saw the very moment Jesus ascended into the throne room. That is proven because that is the very moment the Holy Spirit is sent down. A moment before and Jesus was not there. A while before and Jesus was NOT FOUND in the search for one worthy. WHY was "no man found" in that first search? Because Jesus had not yet risen from the dead. But in the NEXT search, He had risen from the dead, and was then found worthy. Also notice the difference in the Holy Spirit: in chapter 4 He is there at the Throne. But in chapter five, the moment Jesus arrives the Holy Spirit is send down. Marv, all this is to set the TIME of the first seal. There is no hint of a wait until we get to seal 5. So I believe Jesus broke the first 5 seals in 32 AD. So the events of these four seals began in 32 AD. This 1/4 of the earth would include Europe and Africa as well as the Middle East. Where have all the famines been in our lifetime? Of couse, Africa.

 

The second, third and fourth horses do not ride together, they come is sequential order.

 

Jesus broke all these seals - probably in a few seconds!

 

Rev. 6:8

⁸ So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

 

Them WHO?

to kill with sword - the RED horse.

to kill with hunger - the BLACK horse

to kill with death -  the PALE horse

 

So these three are TOGETHER. They are Satan's attempt to stop the church.

Notice the first horse is NOT INCLUDED.

 

ha ha! Perhaps you need to believe Matthew Henry! These four horses and riders have been riding since 32 AD. There is MUCH evidence.

 

For those that say, but these parallel what Jesus said in Matt. 24. Indeed they do, but Jesus said, "the end is not yet."  Jesus was speaking of the CHURCH age up untel he mentions "the end." Everything before that is church age events.

 

Lamad

[iamlamad]

 

Marv, in 19:11 Jesus has many crowns, and He returns with many riding horses who are clothed in white linen. It is also possible that the one on a white horse wearing a single crown in 6:2 was a false Christ, the antichrist, even.

An honost question: who are the 24 elders?

 

I go one step further;  The beast of Rev 13:2 had a fatal wound (human), false resurrection, then a False prophet.  Then the dragon in Rev 16:13;  When he come on the scene?  For he is angelic, as is the one on the White horse come down from heaven in the !st Seal.

 

The 24 elders.  Two possibilities;  12 from each tribe of Israel and 12 from the apostles.  Not real good, because All of the Church are as one being the Bride.  Another possibility is, some others in angelic nature,  for there are the four living creatures and the 24 elders all  (all angelic) surrounding the Throne, this is a better view IMO.  No mention of them reigning with Christ as we will.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

If we understand the timing of chapters 4 & 5, your guess is very good, for the timing is BEFORE JESUS rose from the dead, in chapter 4. So WHO are these "elders?" For a while I thought they were the elders of the Old Testament that rose when Jesus rose - but now I see that cannot be, for the throne room in chapter 4 is before Jesus rose from the dead. So they must be angels - OR angels standing in for the Elders when they arrive.   Lamad

[iamlamad]

Marv, in 19:11 Jesus has many crowns, and He returns with many riding horses who are clothed in white linen. It is also possible that the one on a white horse wearing a single crown in 6:2 was a false Christ, the antichrist, even.

An honost question: who are the 24 elders?

Willamina, it is not even REMOTELY possible that the rider of the white horse in chapter 7 is the antichrist. God would NEVER use white for evil. And it was 2000 years too soon for the antichrist.

 

Lamad

[Willa]

Lamad, remember that no scripure is of private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20. When I prayed about a certain scripture, God gave me other scripture to help me arrive at the correct interpretation. But I keep it in a category of "wait and see" or "I will ask Jesus that when I see Him" because it conflicts with another widely held interpretation. Even Paul went to Jeruselem to confer with the elders to be sure he was preaching the same thing the rest of the church was preaching, and he was also taught be Jesus.

Your revelation is very interesting and one to consider. Our creator of this board, George, also has studied much and had enlightenment from God, and he has a very unique interpretation that holds a lot of weight also. He I know to be a Godly man and I highly respect him. Our pastor has yet another interpretation that is still different, and I also respect him and the way he interprets scripture. Time will tell.

But I do believe that we are getting closer to the end, and that we should always be ready to meet the Lord. And as events unfold in the near east and around the world, we are beginning to understand more of Daniel's book that was sealed until the last days.

So I want to thank you for sharing with us. Differing views are always welcome. But this is not a debate. We have another area where we debate. Moreover, only the leadership on this forum are allowed to teach. Otherwise, when you intoduce something like this it is always with a "what do you think" attitude. That is why others are telling you what they also think. They and their views should always be treated with respect even when a person is convinced they are dead wrong. That is why Timothy was cautioned: And a servent of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition,---2 Tim 2:24-25.

Blessings,

Willa

[iamlamad]

 

Marv, in 19:11 Jesus has many crowns, and He returns with many riding horses who are clothed in white linen. It is also possible that the one on a white horse wearing a single crown in 6:2 was a false Christ, the antichrist, even.

An honost question: who are the 24 elders?

 

I go one step further;  The beast of Rev 13:2 had a fatal wound (human), false resurrection, then a False prophet.  Then the dragon in Rev 16:13;  When he come on the scene?  For he is angelic, as is the one on the White horse come down from heaven in the !st Seal.

 

The 24 elders.  Two possibilities;  12 from each tribe of Israel and 12 from the apostles.  Not real good, because All of the Church are as one being the Bride.  Another possibility is, some others in angelic nature,  for there are the four living creatures and the 24 elders all  (all angelic) surrounding the Throne, this is a better view IMO.  No mention of them reigning with Christ as we will.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

It is written that there are 7 mountains and there are 7 kings. These are the HEADS of the Beast. For the mountaions, I take this to mean significant nations, each with a king.

 

It is not the "beast" that received the deadly wound, it is one of his heads, or one of these significant nations with a King. Keep in mind how many times Babylon is mentioned in the bible, speaking of the land area that is now Iraq. What happened to Iraq? THIS head received a deadly wound and its king hung.  Just my thinking.

 

Lamad

[iamlamad]

Lamad, remember that no scripure is of private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20. When I prayed about a certain scripture, God gave me other scripture to help me arrive at the correct interpretation. But I keep it in a category of "wait and see" or "I will ask Jesus that when I see Him" because it conflicts with another widely held interpretation. Even Paul went to Jeruselem to confer with the elders to be sure he was preaching the same thing the rest of the church was preaching, and he was also taught be Jesus.

Your revelation is very interesting and one to consider. Our creator of this board, George, also has studied much and had enlightenment from God, and he has a very unique interpretation that holds a lot of weight also. He I know to be a Godly man and I highly respect him. Our pastor has yet another interpretation that is still different, and I also respect him and the way he interprets scripture. Time will tell.

But I do believe that we are getting closer to the end, and that we should always be ready to meet the Lord. And as events unfold in the near east and around the world, we are beginning to understand more of Daniel's book that was sealed until the last days.

So I want to thank you for sharing with us. Differing views are always welcome. But this is not a debate. We have another area where we debate. Moreover, only the leadership on this forum are allowed to teach. Otherwise, when you intoduce something like this it is always with a "what do you think" attitude. That is why others are telling you what they also think. They and their views should always be treated with respect even when a person is convinced they are dead wrong. That is why Timothy was cautioned: And a servent of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition,---2 Tim 2:24-25.

Blessings,

Willa

Thanks for your post. Of course all are allowed their opinion. As for Paul, did you notice that he at first did NOT go up to Jerusalem. He did go after years, to make sure he had not run in vain. And He was SO SURE of his revelations from God that he said we would be judged by his gospel, and if anyone came up with any other gospel, let him be cursed. That is being very positive!

 

With that said, there are a few places in Revelation where I received revelation knowledge just like Paul. I heard God speak, I head His voice and His words. In those areas I am just as dogmatic as Paul. On the other areas, where I have not received revelation knowledge, I cannot be dogmatic. I must use human reasoning and wait for the Lord to reveal His truth. I was very blessed when I was around 30 years old, to get so stuck on a verse I did not understand, that I bugged God about it every day for 6 months. One day as I was begining to bug Him again, He spoke and I heard His words. I found out I really did not understand this specific verse at all! But I did learn a valuable lesson: if we are determined to wait for God to answer a question about a bible verse, HE ALWAYS will!

 

Did you ever wonder about the various church deniminations we have? All or most were started by very Godly men, but just men that disagreed with each other! Why? It is very simple, most have not learned how to activate the Holy Spirit within as their teacher. I think we can both agree that God would not give opposing answers to different people. The problem is, some are just not hearing from God and using their own human reasoning. It is VERY difficult to reason one's way through Revelation!

 

Sorry, if I was being too critical.

 

Lecoop

Edited July 10, 2013 by iamlamad

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