Gay Christians who choose celibacy.....

[Guest shiloh357]

You think that feeling urges towards members of the opposite sex is disgusting and abnormal?

Not at all. I consider, sex outside of marriage, prostitution, adultery, pornography, pedophilia and other sexual perversions that often involve members of the opposite sex to be disgusting and abnormal. Just as abnormal as homosexuality. It is all sin and God hates all of it.

Sexual desire is from God and is a beautiful gift when it is shared in a loving way between a husband and a wife. That is the ONLY normal and biblical prescription for human sexuality.

I don't understand your definition of homosexuality. I think you got the sexes mixed up.

Not mixed up at all. My definition of homosexuality has been consitent throughout this thread. You need to read my posts a little better instead of reacting to what you think I am saying.

[Guest shiloh357]

You think that feeling urges towards members of the opposite sex is disgusting and abnormal?

Not at all. I consider, sex outside of marriage, prostitution, adultery, pornography, pedophilia and other sexual perversions that often involve members of the opposite sex to be disgusting and abnormal. Just as abnormal as homosexuality. It is all sin and God hates all of it.

Sexual desire is from God and is a beautiful gift when it is shared in a loving way between a husband and a wife. That is the ONLY normal and biblical prescription for human sexuality.

I don't understand your definition of homosexuality. I think you got the sexes mixed up.

Not mixed up at all. My definition of homosexuality has been consitent throughout this thread. You need to read my posts a little better instead of reacting to what you think I am saying.

I am reading your words Shiloh. Actually, I checked twice to be sure, given my poor English skills.

If you think that feeling urges towards members of the opposite sex (girls if you are male) is abnormal, then, well...

No, I said they are not abnormal. What is abnormal is any use of sex outside of God's plan for human sexuality, which is limited to marriage alone. God hardwired us to have sexual desire toward the opposite sex. That's normal. Homosexuality isn't. It is abnormal. I don't know how much clearer I can make it for you.

[Guest shiloh357]

shiloh357, on 29 May 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

I define homosexual this way: If you willingly entertain homosexual feelings and feel that your disgusting, abnormal urges towards a member of the opposite sex are normal and would not have a problem with carrying them out, it would be fair to say that you are a homosexual.

Sorry Shiloh,

I think you are losing your cool. i am just reading your definition (above) of homosexuality. It is not clear at all.

Yeah, then it is your poor english skills, as you stated. Two people of the same sex who are sexual attracted to each other and/or engaging in sexual activity with each other. Pretty simple, actually.

I am not losing my cool. But I think you are being deliberatly obtuse and are trying to muddy the water about what it is.

[Guest shiloh357]

But this is not what you wrote. You wrote, as anybody can see, that "if you feel that your disgusting, abnormal urges towards a member of the opposite sex are normal and would not have a problem with carrying them out, it would be fair to say that you are a homosexual".

I see where it is confusing and I apologize. That was my error. However, I have clarified and correctly framed it over and over and you should have recognized that a typographical error occurred.

It should read: "if you feel that your disgusting, abnormal urges towards a member of the same sex are normal and would not have a problem with carrying them out, it would be fair to say that you are a homosexual.

[Guest shiloh357]

That is a quite generic. Simply put can insert anything into that what you are saying and this would eliminate 100 percent of those that say they are Christians.It seems based on this then what I said earlier is true. You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Please note that there was a typo on my part. "opposite sex" should read "same sex." I have went back and edited all the posts I could to eliminate that error. My apologies.

So, they have urges, but the thing is they are not carrying out. Matter a fact they a have a problem with carrying them out because they don't want to taint the fellowship they have with Jesus.

The urge to be gay taints the relationship to start with. I is not just a matter of having the urge, but entertaining it, as well. Acting on those urges is not going to damage that any more than entertaining and harboring those urges

So, how does that fit into your defination. It doesn't seem that they are doing it to be holy, but more so they are bringing their body into subjection. Is this not apart of repentance that God is leading them to.

If they were repentant, they would not be gay in the first place. They would not be justifying and harboring those sexual desires.

This is my issue with your comments as a whole. You are sitting in God's place as if you know what is going on.

No, I am not. I am simply saying what the Bible says. Homsoexuality is disgusting in God's eyes. God hates the desire as much as the act itself. The two cannot be divorced from each other.

As I said before be careful because the same words you are speaking over these may bear witness against you in that day. Why not just pray that God allows them to fully realize in time. But no the first thing you do is spit upon them. That is typical of a pharisee. Please don't walk in that way.

Yeah, tell the truth and suddenly you are a pharisee... So typical of you. The fact is I have not spit on anyone. I am more loving to gays than those who are content to let them sit and think that their homoseual bent is okay and that they can still be considered Christians. That is the sure fire way to make sure they end up in hell. The loving thing to do is to expose sin to the light and give them the Gospel without compromising just to save their feelings. Sin can't be coddled or enternatined or justified.

[GoldenEagle]

Like Luca I thought you misspoke with your homosexuality definition, I was replacing "opposite sex" with "same sex", but since you dispelled that notion I'm more confused now than ever. It's not Luca's poor English skills, either you misspoke or you are talking about something no one else here recognizes as homosexuality - doing "abnormal" or "disgusting" things to the "opposite sex" might be quite raunchy, but it is not homosexuality.

See post #142 D-9.

That is a quite generic. Simply put can insert anything into that what you are saying and this would eliminate 100 percent of those that say they are Christians.It seems based on this then what I said earlier is true. You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Please note that there was a typo on my part. "opposite sex" should read "same sex." I have went back and edited all the posts I could to eliminate that error. My apologies.

It's really not that complicated guys. Instead, there's been nearly a whole page on this thread dedicated to understanding such a simple thing as Shiloh's definition of homosexuality.

I define homosexual this way: If you willingly entertain homosexual feelings and feel that your disgusting, abnormal urges towards a member of the same sex are normal and would not have a problem with carrying them out, it would be fair to say that you are a homosexual.

IMO Shiloh is saying that if you think and feel homosexual urges towards the same sex and you think this is normal you are a homosexual.

Please let's move the discussion along.

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

Also, remember to discuss the subject not the person. It is possible to disagree with someone without insulting them. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're attacking you personally.

There have been multiple reports on this thread. The next violation of the WCF ToS will result in this thread being closed. I strongly encourage everyone to read it. It may be cleaned up and re-opened. Or it may not.

[Gandalf]

If the Gospels are to be believed, then self-righteousness seems to be higher up Jesus' hit-list of sins to be denounced than any sexual matters.

Edited May 29, 2013 by Gandalf

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So, God Made Me Do It?

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: James 1:13

So Wrong

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:14-15

In So Many Ways

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. Ecclesiastes 1:9-10

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.... what was meant.... Basically.... one is gay based on attraction.... due to this they cannot be a Christian...even if they don't live out the feelings.... This right here is my issue.... It is down right outrageous to make such a bold claim....

.... And I think us probing Shiloh here was to make sure that that is what he meant as a lot of us have issues with it....

Who Would Put False Words In The Mouth

Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. Psalms 37:7

Of A Brother?

A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle. Proverbs 18:19

Bless You

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The Issue

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:21

The Outrageous Claim

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:26-28

And Yet Most Remain Too Proud To Turn

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Believe

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47

And Be Blessed Beloved

Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. John 8:51

Love, Joe

[Guest shiloh357]

So neither you or I, or anyone else, has a sexual orientation?

No, what you have is sexual desire. God man for woman and woman for man. His plan for human sexuality is that one man marries one woman and they stay married till they die and that sex belongs between a husband (male) and his wife (female). Any sexual encounter outside that plan is sin, including homosexuality.

As for making room for every sexual perversion out there, it really doesn't make any sense to me. Earlier you tried to use a slippery slope argument for pedophilia if homosexuality was accepted, however pedophilia is not a sexual orientation but a sexual preference,

According to peophilia advocacy groups (like NAMBLA) and some who accept the same junk science that makes homosexuality a genetic pre-disposition are now using the same arguments for pedophiles, that God made them that way.

and homosexuality is talking about two consenting adults whereas pedophilia is about adults forcing themselves on children, you can't equate the two.

Sure I can. They are both sin, both unnatural and both are disgusting to the core.

Like Luca I thought you misspoke with your homosexuality definition, I was replacing "opposite sex" with "same sex", but since you dispelled that notion I'm more confused now than ever. It's not Luca's poor English skills, either you misspoke or you are talking about something no one else here recognizes as homosexuality - doing "abnormal" or "disgusting" things to the "opposite sex" might be quite raunchy, but it is not homosexuality.

In that post, and made this point to Luca, I made a typo when I typed "opposite sex." It should read "same sex." The fact that for a long string of posts following that typo, I repeatedly spoke agaisnt homosexuality and even provided other definitions that further clarified how I was defining homosexuality, I made myself abundantly clear. You are trying to create a problem where none exists.