Morality and government

[Gandalf]

 

Every age has its good and bad sides. I reckon we need young people to always question what has gone before them, just as Jesus did.

 

I disagree with you about what Jesus did. He wasn't a questioning revolutionary.

 

He instead challenged people to go back to where they belonged.

 

 

That reminds me of a song:

 

"Some say He was an Outlaw....

 

"Some say He was a Sorcerer....

 

"Some say a Politician...

 

But I say He is the Son of God...."

 

He challenged the prevailing Jewish orthodoxy, which was the Pharisees and Sadducees. They had in fact distorted the faith of their forebears, but they ruled the roost and their views had to be unsettled.

[revolutionist90]

I don't think what Jesus did was questioning Gandolf. He knew what was right, he is God so he knows what is right and he told the fake churches to get back in line. Imo the people today would be the Pharises and Sadducees including the college age kids because they have stopped questioning and instead believe they already know. 

[Gandalf]

I don't think what Jesus did was questioning Gandolf. He knew what was right, he is God so he knows what is right and he told the fake churches to get back in line. Imo the people today would be the Pharises and Sadducees including the college age kids because they have stopped questioning and instead believe they already know. 

Sorry, but Jesus very obviously challenged the prevailing ruling Jewish orthodoxy, and they didn't like it! His disciples found it hard to understand because they had just gone along with non-boat-rocking crowd.

 

I think Jesus would feel very much at home amongst students who challenge the prevailing worldly orthodoxy, in America or anywhere else! "The whole world (system) is in the power of the evil one".

[nebula]

 

 

Every age has its good and bad sides. I reckon we need young people to always question what has gone before them, just as Jesus did.

 

I disagree with you about what Jesus did. He wasn't a questioning revolutionary.

 

He instead challenged people to go back to where they belonged.

He challenged the prevailing Jewish orthodoxy, which was the Pharisees and Sadducees. They had in fact distorted the faith of their forebears, but they ruled the roost and their views had to be unsettled.

 

Challenging isn't questioning, though.

 

"Questioning" implies someone who is disillusioned and searching for answers.

 

Jesus already knew the answers.

[revolutionist90]

 

I don't think what Jesus did was questioning Gandolf. He knew what was right, he is God so he knows what is right and he told the fake churches to get back in line. Imo the people today would be the Pharises and Sadducees including the college age kids because they have stopped questioning and instead believe they already know. 

Sorry, but Jesus very obviously challenged the prevailing ruling Jewish orthodoxy, and they didn't like it! His disciples found it hard to understand because they had just gone along with non-boat-rocking crowd.

 

I think Jesus would feel very much at home amongst students who challenge the prevailing worldly orthodoxy, in America or anywhere else! "The whole world (system) is in the power of the evil one".

 

I disagree with your opinion. Challenging is different from questioning. Questioning implies something that is not known. What is the prevailing worldly orthodoxy to you- Christianity? But if I read correctly you believe the American revolution should have been condemned so if I am correct you seem to have a negative view of u.s.a in general. Jesus already knew what was right and the prevailing Jewish orthodoxy had traveled away from the right path so Jesus put them back in line. The Pharisees believed only in law and thus corrupted it to their own desire which is not God's plan. The law was already there and Jesus put the church back on the right path. There was no need for him to question something that he already knew what was wrong. He did not need to analyze or even think about it. College peers are trying to crush things that are right in society not bring us back to a better place. Also I don't think Jesus would feel at home with my peers who think babies are parasitic blood suckers and the bible should be burned for condemning homosexuality. I really think they would fit into the Pharises and Sadducees especially those who particularly want Christians to die.  No offense, but I find it strange that you keep commenting on the college peers who I deal with everyday at my college that you don't know about. Are you speaking in general or just to my own opinion about my college community?

How are you so sure that the people today have not distorted the view of their forebears? You think abortion, homosexuality, casual sex and other notions that prevail in this society are good and a good result of questioning? Idealism is all good and healthy but it does not face up to reality.

[Gandalf]

 

 

 

Every age has its good and bad sides. I reckon we need young people to always question what has gone before them, just as Jesus did.

 

I disagree with you about what Jesus did. He wasn't a questioning revolutionary.

 

He instead challenged people to go back to where they belonged.

He challenged the prevailing Jewish orthodoxy, which was the Pharisees and Sadducees. They had in fact distorted the faith of their forebears, but they ruled the roost and their views had to be unsettled.

 

Challenging isn't questioning, though.

 

"Questioning" implies someone who is disillusioned and searching for answers.

 

Jesus already knew the answers.

 

I think you will find that Jesus used "questioning" as a strategy for "challenging". He upset the orthodox and they saw him as a trouble-maker for disturbing their comfortable status quo, rather as some see students who don't just go along with the way "things are".

[MorningGlory]

 

 

 

As a student living on a college campus where many students believe socialism, communism and marxism are best for American (even though they have never visited countries who have those systems) I agree that they truly believe the U.S.A is an oppressive, war-mongering and evil capitalist regime.

 

 

Maybe they have a point. I suspect most of them do not in reality believe that other regimes are any better, but they see it as hypocritical to claim that the US is seriously better than most other nations, and believe it needs to change. It would concern me hugely if college students were not questioning the prevailing orthodoxy in their own country.

 

No offense, but why would you suspect that?

 

Because I know students and I see it as a very good thing that they question the status quo. That very questioning tends to produce good ideas and energy for changing things that are wrong. Of course they are idealistic and some of their idealism may be about other nations of which they have no experience, but we need their freshness and freedom from the cynicism that age usually brings. I understand that only a minority of US citizens have ever travelled abroad, so perhaps some of those who most stridently defend the prevailing orthodoxy in their country are, in truth, in no position to say it is any better than anywhere else?

 

Strange; most of those I know have been to South America or Europe at least; some even to the Middle East, gandalph (although my circle might be different from the norm.).  Have YOU ever been to the U.S.?  I can truthfully say that I nearly kissed the soil when I came home from each of my four trips abroad.  Although I really loved England and Germany, the rest....meh!  Not so much.  I've been to Canada numerous times as well but I don't count them as 'abroad'.  You can barely tell you've changed countries! 

[JDavis]

 

 

 

 

As a student living on a college campus where many students believe socialism, communism and marxism are best for American (even though they have never visited countries who have those systems) I agree that they truly believe the U.S.A is an oppressive, war-mongering and evil capitalist regime.

 

 

Maybe they have a point. I suspect most of them do not in reality believe that other regimes are any better, but they see it as hypocritical to claim that the US is seriously better than most other nations, and believe it needs to change. It would concern me hugely if college students were not questioning the prevailing orthodoxy in their own country.

 

No offense, but why would you suspect that?

 

Because I know students and I see it as a very good thing that they question the status quo. That very questioning tends to produce good ideas and energy for changing things that are wrong. Of course they are idealistic and some of their idealism may be about other nations of which they have no experience, but we need their freshness and freedom from the cynicism that age usually brings. I understand that only a minority of US citizens have ever travelled abroad, so perhaps some of those who most stridently defend the prevailing orthodoxy in their country are, in truth, in no position to say it is any better than anywhere else?

 

Strange; most of those I know have been to South America or Europe at least; some even to the Middle East, gandalph (although my circle might be different from the norm.).  Have YOU ever been to the U.S.?  I can truthfully say that I nearly kissed the soil when I came home from each of my four trips abroad.  Although I really loved England and Germany, the rest....meh!  Not so much.  I've been to Canada numerous times as well but I don't count them as 'abroad'.  You can barely tell you've changed countries! 

 

 

It must be your group, not including Canada and Mexico less than 20% of Americans have been out of the country. 

[CAP73]

 

 

It must be your group, not including Canada and Mexico less than 20% of Americans have been out of the country. 

 

I'm not leaving.  It's awesome here.

[nebula]

 

 

 

 

Every age has its good and bad sides. I reckon we need young people to always question what has gone before them, just as Jesus did.

I disagree with you about what Jesus did. He wasn't a questioning revolutionary.

 

He instead challenged people to go back to where they belonged.

He challenged the prevailing Jewish orthodoxy, which was the Pharisees and Sadducees. They had in fact distorted the faith of their forebears, but they ruled the roost and their views had to be unsettled.

Challenging isn't questioning, though.

 

"Questioning" implies someone who is disillusioned and searching for answers.

 

Jesus already knew the answers.

I think you will find that Jesus used "questioning" as a strategy for "challenging". He upset the orthodox and they saw him as a trouble-maker for disturbing their comfortable status quo, rather as some see students who don't just go along with the way "things are".

 

Using questions as a mean to challenge is not the same thing as personally questioning things. To claim that Jesus "questioned what had gone before Him" is to make Him out to be less than divine. How can God-incarnate be disillusioned, uncertain, and searching for answers?

 

Again, challenging and questioning are not the same thing.