Cailean Posted June 24, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/16/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2013 Afraid I only know what's in the media. A side effect of my work is I don't pay much heed to what appears in the press. C+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 25, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,250 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,981 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2013 I have held my thoughts on Snowden until I see all that he has done. He may well have done much worse than tell the American people they are being spied upon. The world is a dangerous place and if he has disclosed to the Russians and Chinese how we spy on them, he should be publically executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted July 8, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Share Posted July 8, 2013 George Washington. Benjamin Franklin, Samual Adams, plus many, many more, were all considered traitors at the time. food for thought. If one more person compares Snowden to the founding fathers I think my head might explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted July 8, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Who here supports his actions? ______________________________________ I do. He blew the whistle on acts that are clearly unconstitutional. Even the Chinese hailed him as a hero. Coming from a nation that supposedly severely limits human freedoms, I find that disgraceful. In other words, even they know better. And to think, we've been railing China about censuring their Internet, and the USA then does this. The Chinese hailing him as a hero should be a good sign that he is no hero. They don't know better, they hail him as a hero because of the damage he has done to this country. they love him for what he has done and for the secrets he has passed to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 9, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Problem is, he did reveal secrets to the Chinese - I hadn't heard about Russia. That could be very dangerous to us. And that is what makes it difficult to consider him and American hero in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf Posted July 9, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 377 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 9, 2013 Who here supports his actions?______________________________________ I do. He blew the whistle on acts that are clearly unconstitutional. Even the Chinese hailed him as a hero. Coming from a nation that supposedly severely limits human freedoms, I find that disgraceful. In other words, even they know better. And to think, we've been railing China about censuring their Internet, and the USA then does this. The US does not have a monopoly on hypocrisy - some European nations are at the same game, whilst telling their citizens they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnomonist Posted July 9, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 272 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/29/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 9, 2013 Who here supports his actions? ______________________________________ I do. He blew the whistle on acts that are clearly unconstitutional. Even the Chinese hailed him as a hero. Coming from a nation that supposedly severely limits human freedoms, I find that disgraceful. In other words, even they know better. And to think, we've been railing China about censuring their Internet, and the USA then does this. The US does not have a monopoly on hypocrisy - some European nations are at the same game, whilst telling their citizens they are not. _________________________________________ I'm not sure you get what I am saying, and this is what makes the USA different, at least traditionally. The constitution does not give us our rights. The founding fathers realized that there are certain inalienable rights given to man by God, i.e. the right of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. If they are right, then EVEN YOU from another nation has these same rights. They are yours already to enjoy. And it is any government's job to SECURE these rights, and if not, then the people should throw off such a government. The problem with the US government now is that they don't realize they are our servants to protect us from tyranny, and they have no power to grant such inalienable rights. Instead, they became the very thing we escaped! So, as I always say, human nature, being what it is, sunk to its lowest common denominator. This is why I don't get "patriotic" and sing along with the deluded Kenny Rogers who sings "Proud to be an American" and praised the soldiers who died "to give" those rights to me. To do so would be to have the mentality of the rest of the world: that we are all under governance, and the USA is nothing more than a "beneficial dictator" giving us freedom and rights. This is the mentality of the illegals coming into this nation as the founding fathers' ideology is way beyond what they seem to understand. And the present administration hopes to dummy all of us down. I'm an extremely dangerous man to the likes of those now in government here. Even Ron Paul is tame to me, but like him, I'm Libertarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Kinda Seem Fair When You Consider We'd Just "Leaked" Israeli Secrets To Her Enemies And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf Posted July 13, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 377 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 13, 2013 It looks like he's going to stay in Russia, for the time being. It will no doubt give Putin more opportunities to poke fun at the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted July 13, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 13, 2013 I have held my thoughts on Snowden until I see all that he has done. He may well have done much worse than tell the American people they are being spied upon. The world is a dangerous place and if he has disclosed to the Russians and Chinese how we spy on them, he should be publically executed. I agree other one.At first I thought of him as a hero and that it was a courageous thing to do.But then I was told that he may have done some dangerous things and made the U.S. vulnerable.The jury is still out for me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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