Openly Curious Posted July 20, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2013 The parable of the rich man and Lazuras (Luke 15) shows that there was a great gulf that seperated hell and paradise (Abraham's bosom). As the rich man woke up in hell and Lazurus the beggar woke up being comforted in Abraham's bosom. Before Christ death, burial and resurrection the saints were held in prison by satan. But the saints were not in hell across the gulf where the rich man found himself in the flames begging for just one drop of water. Instead the saints were held captive by Satan in paradise in Abraham's bosom. But according to scripture (Ephesians 4) after Christ death and burial Jesus did descend (went down) into the heart of the earth and preached to those in prison. While Jesus was still on the cross remember the theif whom Jesus said to him that this day he would be with him in paradise (Abraham's bosom) This was were Jesus descended and went to along with the theif on the cross. But on the third day Jesus ascended (came up) taking the captive (saints) with him that had been held prisoner by Satan since their death. But Jesus defeated Satan in his resurrection as death could not hold him captive (prisoner in paridise by Satan and Jesus now has the key(s) to death,- hell - and -- the grave. Jesus did not descend (go down) into hell's flames that was across the gulf that seperated Abraham's bosom (paradise) from hell. As those who were in hell could not cross over into paradise and the saints being held prisoner in paradise could not cross the gulf into hell. So Jesus did not descend into hell but he did descend down to paradise. Today paradise is in heaven no longer under Satan's power or authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedByTheBest Posted July 20, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2013 What do you think? physical death - spiritual death - second death by His death, burial, and resurrection, Christ defeated death, the grave, and hell. Heb 2:14 Since then the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise partook of the same; that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death (that is, the Devil), Heb 2:15 and deliver those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. i imagine the presence of the Lamb of God in the realm of spiritual death blasted apart death's finality. i don't believe Christ could have defeated death without descending to where those who are spiritually dead reside. He became sin and descended where we would not have to go through faith in His sacrifice. Their is a study on what the difference is between hell and shoel/hades.Some people think that Jesus went to "hell" to further be punished for our sins.That is not Biblical.Jesus did not go to hell.Jesus went to shoel/hades.Their is difference. i know the study bopeep. and He couldn't have gone to hell to be punished for our sins, because He became sin for us. i am by no means trying to add to scripture in my answer. if Christ only went to the Paradise side, then how do we then explain this? 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Posted July 20, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/20/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2013 I thought he went to the America's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 20, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.06 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2013 I thought he went to the America's. What?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Posted July 20, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/20/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2013 I heard that Christ went to the lands that did not know about him so that those poor souls did not go to hell. It is not fair that someone go to hell because they lived in a primitive society with no knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted July 20, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,996 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,693 Content Per Day: 11.68 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 As you know from the parable of the rich man and the poor man their was a great gulf.*See Openly Curious post.On one side was Paradise(the believers) and the other was Sheol/hades(the unbelievers).The unbelievers could see those in paradise and how wonderful it was.When Jesus ascended to heaven,He took the occupants of paradise with Him.Ephesians 4:8-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coheir Posted July 22, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,458 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 729 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1950 Share Posted July 22, 2013 ok I got a Q about this. everyone seems to think Jesus went into the middle of ( down into ) earth to paradise. Luke 23:43 in 11 Corin 12:4 Paul is going up into paradise. Is this one of those times; I can say I dont know which way is up or down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redroses42 Posted July 22, 2013 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 213 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 78 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/05/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2013 Jesus took the keys of death and hell....where were they kept? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedByTheBest Posted July 22, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2013 ok I got a Q about this. everyone seems to think Jesus went into the middle of ( down into ) earth to paradise. Luke 23:43 in 11 Corin 12:4 Paul is going up into paradise. Is this one of those times; I can say I dont know which way is up or down hi coheir Paul spoke of Paradise after Christ's ascension. Before Christ's ascenscion, Paradise was in the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coheir Posted July 22, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,458 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 729 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1950 Share Posted July 22, 2013 ok I got a Q about this. everyone seems to think Jesus went into the middle of ( down into ) earth to paradise. Luke 23:43 in 11 Corin 12:4 Paul is going up into paradise. Is this one of those times; I can say I dont know which way is up or down hi coheir Paul spoke of Paradise after Christ's ascension. Before Christ's ascenscion, Paradise was in the earth. ok another Q Bible says when Christ returns the dead in Christ will rise first. this makes one think they will rise from the earth or ground; but if they are in paradise which is up near heaven I never did get figured out right ?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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