nebula Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Nebula... Is the idea that Zimmerman acted without thinking supposed to make me feel better about what happened? There is a reason the legit Neighborhood Watch programs have police sponsors and get training on what to do and what not to do. When I was a high schooler growing up in Florida I am used to cut thru lawns all the time getting from point A to Point B. Lucky for me nobody shot me I guess. No, it's not about feeling better. But as you said: "I don't see that I have any responsibility in God's view other than to try and support the whole truth, not just one side or the other." Are you truly observing the whole truth when you keep judging Zimmerman the way you have been? Is he undeserving of grace an mercy? Is God's desire revenge or redemption? And yes, both erred, I am glad you can see that. But sadly only one is dead. You will forgive me if I don't view Zimmerman as some sort of tragic figure. Zimmerman should be held accountable for what he genuinely did wrong, but he should never have been falsely painted as a WHITE-hispanic racist who tried to tackle a 6-foot muscular 17 year-old to the ground, nor should he become the poster child and scapegoat for every racial angst people have against racial discrepancy. The only reason I am attempting to defend Zimmerman is because this is what has unjustly become of this case. Here is a link you asked for...http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/25/zimmerman-trial-trayvon-neighborhood-watch/2455163/ Thank you. OK, from reading the article, it doesn't seem like anyone had a problem with this beforehand, though. So, please keep this in proper perspective, OK? and finally, had Zimmerman used common sense Martin would not be dead, period. But he didn't and we all know the result. You're still being an arm-chair critic looking in hindsight. Enough evidence exists to likewise state that had Martin likewise used common sense and not gone on the offensive the way he did, he would still be alive. So please weigh the other side as you stated was your desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 377 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2013 He was. He had a gun! Regardless, he was returning to his car, like the police asked him to do, when Trayvon assaulted him and placed his life in danger. Had Trayvon not sucker punched Zimmerman and then assaulted him with the intent of causing great bodily harm and also of taking his gun, Trayvon would still be alive. Ypu appear to reserve none of your rancor for where it rightly belongs. Not sure why though. For most of us, not killing someone is a goal we live by. I would say that every genuine Christian lives by that principle. That's why Christians don't carry guns, knives or other offensive weapons as we go about our daily lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,260 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,988 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2013 well, if guns cause crime, mine must be defective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2013 He was. He had a gun! Regardless, he was returning to his car, like the police asked him to do, when Trayvon assaulted him and placed his life in danger. Had Trayvon not sucker punched Zimmerman and then assaulted him with the intent of causing great bodily harm and also of taking his gun, Trayvon would still be alive. Ypu appear to reserve none of your rancor for where it rightly belongs. Not sure why though. For most of us, not killing someone is a goal we live by. I would say that every genuine Christian lives by that principle. That's why Christians don't carry guns, knives or other offensive weapons as we go about our daily lives. According to whom? I know plenty of Christians who carry guns. There is no Holy decree against killing. The Law states that "thou shalt not murder." That has nothing whatsoever to do with self defense or in providing for the sanctity of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2013 well, if guns cause crime, mine must be defective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 377 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2013 well, if guns cause crime, mine must be defective Give it up, for Jesus! And be free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 Nebula... Is the idea that Zimmerman acted without thinking supposed to make me feel better about what happened? There is a reason the legit Neighborhood Watch programs have police sponsors and get training on what to do and what not to do. When I was a high schooler growing up in Florida I am used to cut thru lawns all the time getting from point A to Point B. Lucky for me nobody shot me I guess. No, it's not about feeling better. But as you said: "I don't see that I have any responsibility in God's view other than to try and support the whole truth, not just one side or the other." Are you truly observing the whole truth when you keep judging Zimmerman the way you have been? Is he undeserving of grace an mercy? Is God's desire revenge or redemption? And yes, both erred, I am glad you can see that. But sadly only one is dead. You will forgive me if I don't view Zimmerman as some sort of tragic figure. Zimmerman should be held accountable for what he genuinely did wrong, but he should never have been falsely painted as a WHITE-hispanic racist who tried to tackle a 6-foot muscular 17 year-old to the ground, nor should he become the poster child and scapegoat for every racial angst people have against racial discrepancy. The only reason I am attempting to defend Zimmerman is because this is what has unjustly become of this case. Here is a link you asked for...http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/25/zimmerman-trial-trayvon-neighborhood-watch/2455163/ Thank you. OK, from reading the article, it doesn't seem like anyone had a problem with this beforehand, though. So, please keep this in proper perspective, OK? and finally, had Zimmerman used common sense Martin would not be dead, period. But he didn't and we all know the result. You're still being an arm-chair critic looking in hindsight. Enough evidence exists to likewise state that had Martin likewise used common sense and not gone on the offensive the way he did, he would still be alive. So please weigh the other side as you stated was your desire. It is not in my power to offer Zimmerman either grace or mercy. People on here have painted Zimmerman as the victim, that makes me angry. He is alive and walking the streets today. Why does it not bother you how people are portraying Marin on here? yes, I am looking in hindsight l just like you and everyone else. And I have said more than a few times that both didn't use common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Nebula... Is the idea that Zimmerman acted without thinking supposed to make me feel better about what happened? There is a reason the legit Neighborhood Watch programs have police sponsors and get training on what to do and what not to do. When I was a high schooler growing up in Florida I am used to cut thru lawns all the time getting from point A to Point B. Lucky for me nobody shot me I guess. No, it's not about feeling better. But as you said: "I don't see that I have any responsibility in God's view other than to try and support the whole truth, not just one side or the other." Are you truly observing the whole truth when you keep judging Zimmerman the way you have been? Is he undeserving of grace an mercy? Is God's desire revenge or redemption? And yes, both erred, I am glad you can see that. But sadly only one is dead. You will forgive me if I don't view Zimmerman as some sort of tragic figure. Zimmerman should be held accountable for what he genuinely did wrong, but he should never have been falsely painted as a WHITE-hispanic racist who tried to tackle a 6-foot muscular 17 year-old to the ground, nor should he become the poster child and scapegoat for every racial angst people have against racial discrepancy. The only reason I am attempting to defend Zimmerman is because this is what has unjustly become of this case. Here is a link you asked for...http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/25/zimmerman-trial-trayvon-neighborhood-watch/2455163/ Thank you. OK, from reading the article, it doesn't seem like anyone had a problem with this beforehand, though. So, please keep this in proper perspective, OK? and finally, had Zimmerman used common sense Martin would not be dead, period. But he didn't and we all know the result. You're still being an arm-chair critic looking in hindsight. Enough evidence exists to likewise state that had Martin likewise used common sense and not gone on the offensive the way he did, he would still be alive. So please weigh the other side as you stated was your desire. It is not in my power to offer Zimmerman either grace or mercy. People on here have painted Zimmerman as the victim, that makes me angry. He is alive and walking the streets today. Why does it not bother you how people are portraying Marin on here? yes, I am looking in hindsight l just like you and everyone else. And I have said more than a few times that both didn't use common sense. Well, Zimmerman was being victimized---not only by Trayvon Martin, but even now he and his family as well as Trayvon's family are victims of public opinion, having received death threats so that they CANNOT walk those streets you seem to think they are doing. It is people at large who have lost all common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2013 You know, Ive been sitting back and observing this entire debate, and right now, Im going to make some observations. The media, had an agenda from the start-to create racial tension and fights, and they built it up so much, that regardless of the outcome there were likely to be riots, disagrements, splits, all over the place. Just looking at this thread, Id say the media won. Regardless of whether zimmerman was guilty or not, id say the liberal media has gotten exactly, what it tried to do. Just my two cents. I disagree. God has broken our Unity because we have collectively turned our back on His Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2013 Nebula... Is the idea that Zimmerman acted without thinking supposed to make me feel better about what happened? There is a reason the legit Neighborhood Watch programs have police sponsors and get training on what to do and what not to do. When I was a high schooler growing up in Florida I am used to cut thru lawns all the time getting from point A to Point B. Lucky for me nobody shot me I guess. No, it's not about feeling better. But as you said: "I don't see that I have any responsibility in God's view other than to try and support the whole truth, not just one side or the other." Are you truly observing the whole truth when you keep judging Zimmerman the way you have been? Is he undeserving of grace an mercy? Is God's desire revenge or redemption? And yes, both erred, I am glad you can see that. But sadly only one is dead. You will forgive me if I don't view Zimmerman as some sort of tragic figure. Zimmerman should be held accountable for what he genuinely did wrong, but he should never have been falsely painted as a WHITE-hispanic racist who tried to tackle a 6-foot muscular 17 year-old to the ground, nor should he become the poster child and scapegoat for every racial angst people have against racial discrepancy. The only reason I am attempting to defend Zimmerman is because this is what has unjustly become of this case. Here is a link you asked for...http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/25/zimmerman-trial-trayvon-neighborhood-watch/2455163/ Thank you. OK, from reading the article, it doesn't seem like anyone had a problem with this beforehand, though. So, please keep this in proper perspective, OK? and finally, had Zimmerman used common sense Martin would not be dead, period. But he didn't and we all know the result. You're still being an arm-chair critic looking in hindsight. Enough evidence exists to likewise state that had Martin likewise used common sense and not gone on the offensive the way he did, he would still be alive. So please weigh the other side as you stated was your desire. It is not in my power to offer Zimmerman either grace or mercy. People on here have painted Zimmerman as the victim, that makes me angry. He is alive and walking the streets today. Why does it not bother you how people are portraying Marin on here? yes, I am looking in hindsight l just like you and everyone else. And I have said more than a few times that both didn't use common sense. It's also not in your power to cast Judgement. The Jury has stated quite openly after reviewing all of the evidence that Zimmerman was in fact the victim. Who's Marin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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