Are their different levels of punishment in hell?

[enoob57]

Revelation 20-11-13

 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. ¹² And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,^[a] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. ¹³ The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.

 

 

 

What do you think?I have often wondered if the judgment is to determine how severe the punishment will be.

Actually the worse of worse leads to infinite digression of what would not be wanted in the very start with...

As the infinite of God so the never ending of His Wrath kept only in the place of separation in hell... Love, Steven

[Elhanan]

Rev 20:11-13 reveals all those standing before the judgment throne of God whose names are not in the Book of Life. We know that these are destined for the Lake of Fire but other books are opened and their works are judged by the things written in these other books which (presumably) recount the way in which they lived their lives.  A just judge passes the severity of his sentence based upon the type and frequency of crimes committed.  If God does not do the same thing & sends the condemned to the Lake of Fire without differing degrees of chastisement then one of the greatest ironies of all is that the Jews who suffered torture and a horrible fate under Hitler's rule eventually end up in the same place as him and suffer the exact same punishment. And BTW the Lake of Fire is not eternal - do a word study on the noun aion and its adjectival forms aionion/aionios.

[enoob57]

Rev 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast

and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
NKJV

 

aionas ton aionon  - age to age there is no idea of end in this!

Just common sense reasoning sin will never  produce anything in God but wrath and any quality of

God bears the eternality of God essence... as the lake of fire is where sin is placed so also is the

wrath of God kept!   Love, Steven
 

[Elhanan]

 

Rev 20:10

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast

and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

NKJV

 

aionas ton aionon  - age to age there is no idea of end in this!

Just common sense reasoning sin will never  produce anything in God but wrath and any quality of

God bears the eternality of God essence... as the lake of fire is where sin is placed so also is the

wrath of God kept!   Love, Steven

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

According to the basic rules of grammar, an adjective modifies a noun.  The noun in this case is the Greek word “aion” from which we derive the English word “eon.” Eon is by definition a finite, not infinite period of time.  Therefore, the adjective aionios must retain the essential meaning of aion and cannot be translated into eternal or everlasting.

G. Morgan Campbell who is known as The Prince of Expositors wrote in his book: God's Methods With Men:

“Let me say to Bible students that we must be very careful how we use the word ‘eternity.’ We have fallen into great error in our constant use of that word. There is no word in the whole Book of God corresponding with our ‘eternal,’ which, as commonly used among us, means absolutely without end. The strongest Scripture word used with reference to the existence of God is - 'unto the ages of ages,' which does not literally mean eternally.”  (p. 185-6)

 

With respect to Rev 20:10 and the phrase “aionas ton aionon” – most Bible translations render this phrase as “forever and ever” which is an inaccurate translation as the phrase is literally “ages of the ages” as Campbell has pointed out.  Other translations which offer an accurate translation are:

"for the eons of the eons." Concordant Literal New Testament

"for the ages of the ages." Young's Literal New Testament

"for the aeons of the aeons." The New Covenant by Dr. J.W. Hanson

"unto the ages of the ages.: Rotherham's Emphasized

"through the ages of the ages." The Holy Bible in Modern English

 

Nevertheless, if one insists that forever and ever is the correct translation, that cannot be true as aion in its form in this verse is in the PLURAL both times.  Thus the verse would have to read “forevers and evers” which makes absolutely no sense.  How can there be eternities plus eternities?  In addition the Greek word for "and" is "kai," - not "ton." Thus one is forced to question why many of the leading translations replaced the Greek "of the" (ton) with "and" when linguistically there is no reason for them to do so other than to accommodate their built-in bias.

 

Edited August 15, 2013 by Elhanan

[B3L13v3R]

Quorting  Elhanan :"Nevertheless, if one insists that forever and ever is the correct translation..."

Yep, I insist! As does God!

Rev 20:10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 14:11  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

[BlessedByTheBest]

e·on   [ee-uhn, ee-on]

noun

1.

an indefinitely long period of time; age.

2.

the largest division of geologic time, comprising two or more eras.

3.

Astronomy . one billion years.

Also, aeon.

Origin: 
 see aeon

 

aeon or esp  ( US ) eon  (ˈiːən, ˈiːɒn, ˈiːən, ˈiːɒn)    — n

1.

an immeasurably long period of time; age

2.

a period of one thousand million years

3.

( often capital ) gnosticism  one of the powers emanating from the supreme being and culminating in the demiurge

 

[C17: from Greek aiōn  an infinitely long time]

eon or esp  ( US ) eon   — n   [C17: from Greek aiōn  an infinitely long time]

 

 

 

it certainly looks like infinity to me, because i surely can't comprehend an existence of 'one thousand million years'.

[enoob57]

 

 

Nevertheless, if one insists that forever and ever is the correct translation, that cannot be true as aion in its form in this verse is in the PLURAL both times.  Thus the verse would have to read “forevers and evers” which makes absolutely no sense.  How can there be eternities plus eternities? 

 

This is exactly your failing in this- eternity is unbounded therefore that which is eternity is also unbounded...

so there are endless eternities all without bounds as that which is without bounds remains unbounded...

you have to let go of the very fabric of your beginning

Eph 1:4

4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

NKJV

then the before to accept the faith concept of eternity. It simply 'IS'

without experience except by God Himself!  The journey we are on (those born of God) are moving into

that eternal experience moment by moment without end... 

 

You are merely drawing from you own source which is unable to concede to that which has no bounds!

Love, Steven

[Elhanan]

Quorting  Elhanan :"Nevertheless, if one insists that forever and ever is the correct translation..."

Yep, I insist! As does God!

Rev 20:10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 14:11  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

You can certainly insist all you want but it is rather presumptuous to speak for God.  You have not offered any explanation of why the translators took away "ton" and replaced the Greek as if it were "kai."  Instead of relying on presumption, I'd rather let God's Word speak for itself which says:

"For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."  Rev 22:18-19

[Elhanan]

 

e·on   [ee-uhn, ee-on]

noun

1.

an indefinitely long period of time; age.

2.

the largest division of geologic time, comprising two or more eras.

3.

Astronomy . one billion years.

Also, aeon.

Origin: 

 see aeon

 

aeon or esp  ( US ) eon  (ˈiːən, ˈiːɒn, ˈiːən, ˈiːɒn)    — n

1.

an immeasurably long period of time; age

2.

a period of one thousand million years

3.

( often capital ) gnosticism  one of the powers emanating from the supreme being and culminating in the demiurge

 

[C17: from Greek aiōn  an infinitely long time]

eon or esp  ( US ) eon   — n   [C17: from Greek aiōn  an infinitely long time]

 

 

 

it certainly looks like infinity to me, because i surely can't comprehend an existence of 'one thousand million years'.

 

It certainly would feel like an eternity but one has to wonder how they came up with that definitive numerical figure out of thin air.

[Elhanan]

 

 

 

Nevertheless, if one insists that forever and ever is the correct translation, that cannot be true as aion in its form in this verse is in the PLURAL both times.  Thus the verse would have to read “forevers and evers” which makes absolutely no sense.  How can there be eternities plus eternities? 

 

This is exactly your failing in this- eternity is unbounded therefore that which is eternity is also unbounded...

so there are endless eternities all without bounds as that which is without bounds remains unbounded...

you have to let go of the very fabric of your beginning

Eph 1:4

4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

NKJV

then the before to accept the faith concept of eternity. It simply 'IS'

without experience except by God Himself!  The journey we are on (those born of God) are moving into

that eternal experience moment by moment without end... 

 

You are merely drawing from you own source which is unable to concede to that which has no bounds!

Love, Steven

 

I find it difficult to follow your rationale and would say that it seems like your imagination has no bounds. I still don't find in your words why the Greek equivalents must be translated as eternity/eternal. 

Edited August 15, 2013 by Elhanan