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I just want to know if it's biblical for someon to pay someone els to fast on his behave,or to fast along with him" .a good friend of mine told me that,he called a certained pastor on the phone.both of them know each other before.so the pastor told him that God revealed to him that he is going through rising and falling in a busines.the boy said yes that the pastor is right,so he asked the pastor what do i do.the pastor told him that he need to fast.and he also need to sow seed so that the pastor praying team will fast along with him.the pastor asked him to pay money into his account.before he can deliver him from the spirit of rising and falling in busines.this my friend agreed to pay sum amount of money to him.but the pastor said that the money is too small.this my friend asked me to advice him on what to do". Your advice will be very helpful"


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.the pastor asked him to pay money into his account.before he can deliver him from the spirit of rising and falling in busines

 

This puts up red flags Jerry. :huh:


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How do you mean.by puts on a red flags


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Jerry your friend is being taken advantage of by his pastor , his pastor cannot deliver him only God can ' quote" he can deliver him from the spirit of rising and falling in busines'"     I would strongly suggest that your friend not be involved with him , 

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How do you mean.by puts on a red flags

Jerry see my PM


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Jerry...There are so many questions and I can just feel your hunger and thirst after righteousness...You will be filled...Lord-Thank You For Your Love and How Much You Love Jerry and His Friend...It is Your Love Lord That Brings Us Into All Truth...As We Seek You and Find You...In Prayer...In Your Word...

 

I have just seen several responses coming through and haven't read them so if I repeated anybody...I just Love You That's All...Hahaha...What a number God can do on us!!!

 

There are actually 2 parts in your question that I can see...

 

If I could have bought my salvation I probably would have tried...but it can't be bought with money...Even God Healing Our Sicknesses and Diseases can't be bought with money outright...I know if we have the money we go to a doctor and hope that we can be healed...But what if we can't go to a doctor? From God Even Through A Pastor or Healer or Anybody-Money doesn't buy what we need...Some will try to convince us but it isn't so...The verse that comes to mind in this instance is in Acts 8:17-20 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, saying, "Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit." But Peter said to him, "Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!

 

Now...there is another part to this...God says in Malachi 3 That we rob Him (we rob God, Himself) when we don't give our tithes and offerings...and says, "And Try Me now in this...If I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it...

 

So the question is can we pay for our blessings? In my opinion, in a word, No...It is in our obedience in giving our tithe and offerings...(Keep in mind-I only know in part) Now I will say this: If we draw near to God; He draws near to us! And I have proven Him more than once on giving the tithes and offerings!!! His Word Is True...

 

There is another verse that I have proven is true and have lived it: Matthew 6:18 so that you do not appear to men to be fasting, but to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.

 

One more thing...The Lord will teach us how to handle money...He brought me through an outright teaching of no waste...another words...I had to learn to live on the income that was coming in...I didn't go hungry not one day even when there was no money in the bank...He brought me through teaching me how to live on a little bit...Our God Is Amazing!!! And I have literally walked through miracles of the money not adding up...but yet there was enough...Did I say, "Our God Is Amazing?" Seek Him With Everything and He Brings Us Through It...No Matter What It Is!!! Whew...O God...Thank You That You Love Us...That You Teach Us Oh So Wonderfully...Thank You That We Trust In You For You Are Worthy...Worthy To Be Praised!!! Praise Him All The Way Through It!!! My my...

 

I have just been healed by The Power of God Through Prayer on this website!!! Our God Lives!!! and Loves!!!

 

Am I to please God? or man? Talk about learning to Trust...I've been through some things that it looked impossible!!! But again God's Word I have lived and it looks to me like this verse applies to this situation: Luke 18:27 But He said, (Jesus talking) "The things which are impossible with men are possible with God... I believe His Word!

 

Love to you In Him, Christ Our Lord...Kathy

P.S. Now if this man walks in the Gifts of The Spirit...perhaps a "Word of Wisdom" etc. would be what is needed to help your friend...but in my humble opinion...These are Gifts Given Freely by God-and if The Gift is From God Should Be Freely Given...and shouldn't be charged for...


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STOP! STOP! STOP! FORGIVE ME FOR SHOUTING BUT I FEEL I NEED TOO SHOUT THIS!  YOUR FRIEND NEEDS TO CONTACT HIS BANK AND GET THAT MONEY BACK! PUT A STOP PAYMENT OR WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO AND DO NOT GIVE ANYMORE MONEY TO THIS PASTOR! THIS IS SUCH A SCAM THAT I CAN ACTUALLY HEAR IT SCREAMING SCAM AT ME BEFORE I EVEN STOP READING THE WHOLE POST! THIS PASTOR SHOULD HAVE THE COPS CALLED ON HIM AND CHARGED WITH FRAUD!

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As believers we can fast and pray for others and our own needs and others can pray for us -- but the Bible says nothing about paying for this! That so-called "pastor" is running a scam for money, plain and simple.

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.... the pastor asked him to pay money into his account.before he can deliver him from the spirit of rising and falling in business. this my friend agreed to pay sum amount of money to him. but the pastor said that the money is too small....

 

:thumbsup:

 

But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that.

 

Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. 1 Timothy 6:6-10 (NIV)

 

~

 

Beloved I Think This Pastor Is Attempting To Curse Your Good Friend

 

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5

 

For The Bible Clearly Tells Your Dear Friend

 

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. Jeremiah 17:7

 

What He Should

 

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

 

Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. Proverbs 3:5-8

 

Do

 

(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6:32-33

 

Praying~!


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There is a bible example that I think shows that this pastor is in the wrong.  One cannot buy or sell graces of God.  In Acts 8, a man tries to pay Peter for the gift of the Holy Spirit.  Peter replies, "Do you think you can buy God's gift with money?"  We cannot buy or sell this or any other gift from God, including deliverance from a problem.   Jesus is our intercessor, who allows us to go directly to God.  While it is extremely beneficial to have others pray for us, it is not required that we go to God through someone else, ordained or otherwise.  I hope this helps you. 

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