Does atheism make sense?

[Guest DRS81]

 

@DRS81

 

Correct, belief and faith are the same thing. A belief/faith *lack* evidence for whatever they are claiming. Thus, having a lack of belief in the existence of god/s, Atheists would not be going on faith.

 

 

A child would not have a belief in it's parents, it knows it's parents exist as they are physical. Each time the child interacts with the parents, it is given confirmation/evidence of their existence. Now if parents of the child were invisible now that would take faith.

But belief can transform into knowledge as well, knowledge being justified belief.  Are you sure you don't believe there is no god?  Is that tantamount do disbelieving in god?  Is it word magic?

 

 

Faith - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Faith?s=t

1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.

 

An atheist has confidence in this thing, the thing being unbelief in God. This confidence produces faith. - DRS81

[gray wolf]

I see where you're going with this.  DRS81 should have more properly said I believe Santa Claus does not exist, rather than invoking faith.  The belief in no Santa could then be founded upon lack of evidence and the implausibility of the story overall.  Or you might argue that we should word it a "disbelief" in Santa.  Is this then a belief about Santa or no?

[Guest DRS81]

What do you have faith in to say that Santa Claus doesn't exist? 

 

What do I have faith IN? In the fact I haven't seen or felt Santa, ever. Jesus however has proven to me he exists through the love of the Holy Spirit, and that love is physical and real.

[Guest ninhao]

If we use that definition of faith, than I have faith that George Bush isn't a Reptilian. The problem I have with this definition is that I see faith as a positive claim, meaning that you claim something to exist, rather than a negative claim which is a claim that something does not exist. 

 

What do you have faith in to say that Santa Claus doesn't exist? 

 

 

You can say for instance that you have faith ( strong belief ) that the evidence shows santa doesn't exist. ie. No located santa dwelling at the North Pole, your dad dressed in a santa suit, no flying sleigh sightings etc.

[gray wolf]

I think we are barking up the wrong tree.  I don't think faith is involved here at all.  What we have is a strong lack of belief in Santa, which I think is what D-9 is getting at.

Edited December 8, 2013 by gray wolf

[OneLight]

Hebrews 11:1  "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

 

This is the description of what Christian faith is.  Belief is derived from evidence.  When someone makes a statement, and the evidence is that the probability is high the it is true, you would say "I believe you may be right.", not "I faith you are right."  The opposite is also true.  One would say "I don't believe you."  You would not say "I don't faith you."

[gray wolf]

My point exactly more or less.

[enoob57]

The substance of faith can only be formed out of His Word...

[gray wolf]

So I think that answers the question-- no atheists don't have faith (another thread).  I agree with you.  I think that it cheapens the definition otherwise.

Edited December 8, 2013 by gray wolf

[Guest]

So I think that answers the question-- no atheists don't have faith (another thread).  I agree with you.  I think that it cheapens the definition otherwise.

 

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Don't Have Faith

 

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

 

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 2 Peter 3:13-17

 

Don't Have Sight

 

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 2 Corinthians 4:3-5

 

Don't Have Science

 

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:20-21

 

Playing In The Theater Of Their Mind

 

And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart. Jeremiah 18:12

 

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Truthfully

 

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

 

Jesus Saves

 

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

 

Science Won't

 

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

 

Praying~!

 

Love, Joe