Thousand year reign. Who is there?

[OakWood]

I've just been reading Revelation again as I am a bit rusty on it. Something struck me about Revelation 20 which suggests to me that only certain people will be on Earth for the thousand year reign.

 

Reading Revelation 20:4-5

 

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.This is the first resurrection.

 

 

Now this suggests to me that only those who go through the Tribulation will live through the thousand year reign. Everyone else will have to wait until the thousand years are over and then they will be resurrected and be judged.

 

If you're a pre-tribber then you're not expecting to be there for the Tribulation so you won't be one of those beheaded by the Beast, therefore you won't be part of the first resurrection, so you can't be reigning with Christ during the thousand year period. You therefore expect to be part of the second resurrection where you will be judged according to your deeds.

 

If you're a post-tribber then you can expect to be one of those who reigns with Christ, but any Christian who died before then can expect to be part of the second resurrection and judged accordingly.

 

Am I missing something here?

[missmuffet]

Their will be two groups occupying the Millenial kingdom-those with glorified bodies,that is those who went in the rapture of the Church,and those with earthly bodies.Those are the people who lived through the tribulation and went on into the millenial kingdom.These are believing Gentiles and believing Jews.

I think that Revelation 20:4-6 refers to those who become believers during the tribulation and were killed because of their faith and are resurrected.It is also believed that at this time old Testament saints will be resurrected.

[Montana Marv]

The Dead in Christ (Christians) rise First, then we who are still alive (those in Christ - Christians) will rise Second with them to meet Christ in the air.

 

The Bride will reign with Christ (a diverse group both Jew and Gentile).  Those beheaded will reign with Christ (a specific group).  Who do we reign over???  Why does Christ need to rule with a "rod of iron"???  Who is He ruling over.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[nikki1]

I've just been reading Revelation again as I am a bit rusty on it. Something struck me about Revelation 20 which suggests to me that only certain people will be on Earth for the thousand year reign.

 

Reading Revelation 20:4-5

 

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.This is the first resurrection.

 

 

Now this suggests to me that only those who go through the Tribulation will live through the thousand year reign. Everyone else will have to wait until the thousand years are over and then they will be resurrected and be judged.

 

If you're a pre-tribber then you're not expecting to be there for the Tribulation so you won't be one of those beheaded by the Beast, therefore you won't be part of the first resurrection, so you can't be reigning with Christ during the thousand year period. You therefore expect to be part of the second resurrection where you will be judged according to your deeds.

 

If you're a post-tribber then you can expect to be one of those who reigns with Christ, but any Christian who died before then can expect to be part of the second resurrection and judged accordingly.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

I am sure the pre-trib crowd will have another theory to explain this.

[ENOCH2010]

 

I've just been reading Revelation again as I am a bit rusty on it. Something struck me about Revelation 20 which suggests to me that only certain people will be on Earth for the thousand year reign.

 

Reading Revelation 20:4-5

 

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.This is the first resurrection.

 

 

Now this suggests to me that only those who go through the Tribulation will live through the thousand year reign. Everyone else will have to wait until the thousand years are over and then they will be resurrected and be judged.

 

If you're a pre-tribber then you're not expecting to be there for the Tribulation so you won't be one of those beheaded by the Beast, therefore you won't be part of the first resurrection, so you can't be reigning with Christ during the thousand year period. You therefore expect to be part of the second resurrection where you will be judged according to your deeds.

 

If you're a post-tribber then you can expect to be one of those who reigns with Christ, but any Christian who died before then can expect to be part of the second resurrection and judged accordingly.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

I am sure the pre-trib crowd will have another theory to explain this.

 

Yep they add another resurrection for themselves, (before the first resurrection) the only problem with that is, it's not to be found in the Bible.

[Guest man]

The only concerns I have with the pre-trib belief is when things start getting really chaotic, many will become disillusioned and fall away.

[Guest ninhao]

I've just been reading Revelation again as I am a bit rusty on it. Something struck me about Revelation 20 which suggests to me that only certain people will be on Earth for the thousand year reign.

 

Reading Revelation 20:4-5

 

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.This is the first resurrection.

 

 

Now this suggests to me that only those who go through the Tribulation will live through the thousand year reign. Everyone else will have to wait until the thousand years are over and then they will be resurrected and be judged.

 

If you're a pre-tribber then you're not expecting to be there for the Tribulation so you won't be one of those beheaded by the Beast, therefore you won't be part of the first resurrection, so you can't be reigning with Christ during the thousand year period. You therefore expect to be part of the second resurrection where you will be judged according to your deeds.

 

If you're a post-tribber then you can expect to be one of those who reigns with Christ, but any Christian who died before then can expect to be part of the second resurrection and judged accordingly.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

Possibly this passage represents 2 groups of people.  1. All resurrected Saints   2. The Saints who died during the tribulation

 

[missmuffet]

The only concerns I have with the pre-trib belief is when things start getting really chaotic, many will become disillusioned and fall away.

When things start getting chaotic.....when?

[Guest man]

 

The only concerns I have with the pre-trib belief is when things start getting really chaotic, many will become disillusioned and fall away.

When things start getting chaotic.....when?

 

 

 

2 Thess. 2

 

3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

 

4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

[Montana Marv]

I've just been reading Revelation again as I am a bit rusty on it. Something struck me about Revelation 20 which suggests to me that only certain people will be on Earth for the thousand year reign.

 

Reading Revelation 20:4-5

 

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.This is the first resurrection.

 

 

Now this suggests to me that only those who go through the Tribulation will live through the thousand year reign. Everyone else will have to wait until the thousand years are over and then they will be resurrected and be judged.

 

If you're a pre-tribber then you're not expecting to be there for the Tribulation so you won't be one of those beheaded by the Beast, therefore you won't be part of the first resurrection, so you can't be reigning with Christ during the thousand year period. You therefore expect to be part of the second resurrection where you will be judged according to your deeds.

 

If you're a post-tribber then you can expect to be one of those who reigns with Christ, but any Christian who died before then can expect to be part of the second resurrection and judged accordingly.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

WW

 

I will highlight in red from above.  but any Christian who died before then can expect to be part of the second resurrection and judged accordingly.

 

The Second Resurrection is for the unjust, not the just.  So are you saying that ALL Believers who have died over the past 2000 years will be part of the Second Resurrection, but only those who go through the 70th Week will be of the First Resurrection.  I think you need to rephrase or qualify your statement above.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv