Questions about Acts 3?

[Guest]

 

I think that you are misinterpreting Scripture. At the Rapture, the Church meets Christ in the clouds, his feet never touch the Earth; therefore He remains in Heaven. The Rapture is NOT the Second Coming.

So, are you saying that Jesus does not have to leave Heaven (the abode of God that He ascended to) becuase he merely went down to the heavens, the atmosphere, where the clouds are, and therefore, as long as His feet hover an inch over the ground, He is still in Heaven? Really? Cool. I can reach heaven just by jumping or taking a plane trip!

 

That's just ignorant. The clouds are not an inch from the ground. And there are said to be three Heavens; the atmosphere, the universe, and the place where GOD lives. The Rapture is NOT the Second Coming.

[Guest]

 

 

Now, I see no need to discuss the merits and demerits of the various rapture positions in this thread, that has been done over and over in other threads,

 

you need my glasses to see if you think this will slip by without seeing merits and everything else on the subject. LoL

 

You are right, it has already begun. People are answering the question, by defining what their position is, and not answering the questions asked. Seriously, sometimes I wish if people do not know an answer, that they would just not answer instead of trying to change the subject to one they think they have a handle on.

 

Maybe you should better understand the OP. It brings up the idea that there will be no Pre-trib Rapture because Scripture says that Christ is going to remain in Heaven until "the period of Restoration." I answered the OP. You are being being curt with your responses.

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Mega!

    You know,I hadn't really considered this much but ,yea-it does say He must remain in Heaven ...anyway,my answer is that it is His 1000 year Reign....that is the question,right?Mega-I won't lie,I am a little confused because what does the rapture and how high the clouds are have to do with your question?

    Mega,you are the OP,right?So how does Parker ask YOU to understand yourself better?I am totally confused...I don't mean to be disrespectful but am I crazy or do all these posts have nothing to do with the question?I feel like I am on a ride with Neil!

                                                                                 With love,in Christ-Kwik

[other one]

 

Acts 3:21

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

KJV

 

I'm not sure what all things God has spoken through the prophets entails, but it's saying that Jesus will remain in heaven until the restitution of the things the prophets said.  so tell me what those things are and we will have a general idea of when he might return.......

 

i have no idea if we will be taken away before he returns, but that seems very important to some folks.  I don't argue with them about it.

[Guest]

 

That's just ignorant. The clouds are not an inch from the ground. And there are said to be three Heavens; the atmosphere, the universe, and the place where GOD lives. The Rapture is NOT the Second Coming.

 

Where I am from, the clouds can be very high, in the middle or touch the ground (it is called fog). Of the three heavens then, which one was Jesus in, that he cannot leave? You want that to say that "the 3 heavens must receive him", okay, change scripture to make it say what you want. You can state that the Rapture is not the second coming as many times as you like, You can even say "The Rapture is NOT the second coming", but the emphasis on NOT will never make your opinion equal to scripture Parker. I seem to remember a post of yours where you stated you were going to stop arguing this point, oh well.

 

 

 

Maybe you should better understand the OP. It brings up the idea that there will be no Pre-trib Rapture because Scripture says that Christ is going to remain in Heaven until "the period of Restoration." I answered the OP. You are being being curt with your responses.

 

Maybe as the original poster, I have an inkling of what I said, and what I meant. I did not make this about the timing, but timing is naturally part of the passage. I asked about what this time of restoration is. You want to make it about post/pre/etc, fine, I cannot stop you. Since you insist, yes, it implies that it cannot be pre, unless one or two things are true. If you are willing to concede that the time of restoration is the tribulation, or something before the tribulation is the time of restoration, then of necessity Jesus stays in heaven until after the tribulation. Clearly no one would claim that the tribulation is the time of restoration, so to maintain that Jesus comes before the trib, we have to make up the idea, that as long as Jesus feet do not touch the ground, He is still in Heaven. All I can say is wow! Can you tell me, where can I get the special rules for exegesis manual that many pretribbers seem to use? Amazing.

 

Am I being curt? Probably, but I do not know what the word even means to tell you the truth. At least, I did not refer to your post as ignorant!

[Guest]

Blessings Mega!

    You know,I hadn't really considered this much but ,yea-it does say He must remain in Heaven ...anyway,my answer is that it is His 1000 year Reign....that is the question,right?Mega-I won't lie,I am a little confused because what does the rapture and how high the clouds are have to do with your question?

    Mega,you are the OP,right?So how does Parker ask YOU to understand yourself better?I am totally confused...I don't mean to be disrespectful but am I crazy or do all these posts have nothing to do with the question?I feel like I am on a ride with Neil!

                                                                                 With love,in Christ-Kwik

Thanks a lot Kwik, looks like you see what I see in this thread - I do not think you are crazy.

[Fez]

Deep breath everybody ......and wait for Jesus.

 

Everything will work out, I promise.

 

The bible tells us it will.....

[kwikphilly]

Dear Mega...

     I keep going over your question & I really had to ignore everything else said because it is all irrelevant to what you asked (& thanks,I am not nuts after all)........My answer is definately "No'....Jesus return cannot fit anywhere else but between trib & the 1000......it IS what the Scipture says......and its very interesting what other one said because I was wondering the same thing.....What are the things that were spoken by God through the prophets of ancient times(are we supposed to know what these things are ?I don't)

 

                                                                                                                     With love,in Christ-Kwik

[Guest]

Dear Mega...

     I keep going over your question & I really had to ignore everything else said because it is all irrelevant to what you asked (& thanks,I am not nuts after all)........My answer is definately "No'....Jesus return cannot fit anywhere else but between trib & the 1000......it IS what the Scipture says......and its very interesting what other one said because I was wondering the same thing.....What are the things that were spoken by God through the prophets of ancient times(are we supposed to know what these things are ?I don't)

 

                                                                                                                     With love,in Christ-Kwik

I do not know what they are either Kwik, that is why I asked: "What do you think the time of restoration of all things is?" This is an opportunity for me (and others who want to) learn something. If there is some event/events that we may identify as the restoration of all things,then we know that at any point after that, perhaps Jesus coming is imminent. If this restoration is in our past, His coming might be imminent now. Apparently, so far, no one thinks so or can think of something that fits. An honest person in that position, I would think would just say "wow, I never noticed this before, maybe I should rethink my position." For those who desperately want Jesus return to be imminent, and cling to a pre-trib rapture, I will throw you a lifeline, maybe the restoration is the rebirth of the nation of Israel. I doubt it, but at least it is something. I do not need a pre-trib rapture, I do not care one way or the other how God wants to do it, I am on board. I just cannot find a pre-trib rapture in scripture personally.

Kwik, you asked, "Are we supposed to know these things?" I do not know the answer to that, but Luke sounds as though he expected his reader (Theophilus) or his readers (us?) to be familiar with them, doesn't he? If we should, seems like someone on this forum might, and could inform the rest of us perhaps. Thanks for taking the time to read the post, consider the implications, and participate.

[kwikphilly]

Dear Mega

    On the contrary....no,I thank you(& glory to God)for posting the question & for taking the time to answer MY question,if there is something I fail to see(obviously there is)then I want to know what it is...I want to know what it is I should be familiar with,am I blind & deaf?Is it so obvious that I cannot see it?I thank God that you & other one are so honest in saying that you,too,do not know what things these are...it gives me comfort that perhaps it is not so obvious and so we can search & reason together,,,,,

      I am just Christs follower,not a preacher,not a teacher...I do not profess to know anything more that what I know & if God has given me (us)an opportunity to learn and to see more,oh,I thank Him!and...I want to learn!So,yes-Mega...I ask the same,if there is someone that can tell us these things that God has spoken through the prophets of ancient times,please,show us......

      Also,if I may add...I see no way,anywhere that supports pre-trib rapture...my entire congregation where I attend church(Pentecostal)all believe the saints will be spared & raptured pre-trib,I would much rather be in my position & be pleasantly surprised if it turns out to be true rather than terribly disappointed when it does not(if you know what I mean)Anyway,,I would hope that the readers of this thread would understand that our position on "rapture"has nothing to do with the questions being asked & offer something that will bear fruit for us all......again,thanks Mega....for your sincerity & for making me "think"

                                                                                                                                         With love,in Christ-Kwik