Did God create evil?

[rebbell]

Jesus was accused of being evil (the devil) by those of the religous sect.

Why? HE went in, where believers gathered, and reproved their spirits. HE offended them.

God also knew this would happen.

 

Col 1v16

It doesn't say HE only created good. It says HE created ALL things.

Go read it. I believe the verse covers it ALL.

 

Blessings

[GoldenEagle]

Jesus was accused of being evil (the devil) by those of the religous sect.

Why? HE went in, where believers gathered, and reproved their spirits. HE offended them.

God also knew this would happen.

 

Col 1v16

It doesn't say HE only created good. It says HE created ALL things.

Go read it. I believe the verse covers it ALL.

 

Blessings

 

I do agree Jesus was accused of healing through the power of the devil by the religious leaders of the day. I do agree Jesus offended them and God knew this would happen. But technically speaking Jesus went into the Temple to clean out the money changers, etc. There were no Believers (in Jesus Christ) then because there was no Church yet. I think a better term would be the "religious" gathered. Yet their religion was pretty pitiful in God's eyes as even Israel sought after other idols, didn't follow God's law, and were in desperate need of Messiah.

For discussion purposes here's the passage in context. I believe God created people in particular with the potential for good and evil. Ultimately it comes down to a choice in every decision of life to follow God or reject His ways. The only way to follow God is through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Are you sure this passage says that God created evil?

1 Cor. 1:15-23

The Preeminence of Christ

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation[g] under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

 

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

 

What other passages apply to this idea? How do you view evil?

 

Genesis 2

9And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

 

 

 

I believe evil is a necessary ingredient to understanding good. Without bad, good would not exist because there would be nothing to compare it too.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 

Going back and reading this thread... Wouldn't this mean that God would not get rid of Satan, the fallen angels, and those who reject God?

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

What other passages apply to this idea? How do you view evil?

 

Genesis 2

9And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

 

 

 

I believe evil is a necessary ingredient to understanding good. Without bad, good would not exist because there would be nothing to compare it too.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 

Going back and reading this thread... Wouldn't this mean that God would not get rid of Satan, the fallen angels, and those who reject God?

 

 

That is a good point, GE.   If evil is necessary for good to exist, then the day of judgment, the eradication of evil/sin and the creation of a new heaven and new earth where no evil will exist, makes no sense.

 

Good can absoluteley exist without evil because God is good and His goodness is as eternal as He is and that means that goodness already existed in the timeless eternal past because God existed in the timeless eternal past.  The philosophical notion that you must have evil in order to understand good simply doesn't pan out when applied to real life.

[rebbell]

 

Jesus was accused of being evil (the devil) by those of the religous sect.

Why? HE went in, where believers gathered, and reproved their spirits. HE offended them.

God also knew this would happen.

 

Col 1v16

It doesn't say HE only created good. It says HE created ALL things.

Go read it. I believe the verse covers it ALL.

 

Blessings

 

I do agree Jesus was accused of healing through the power of the devil by the religious leaders of the day. I do agree Jesus offended them and God knew this would happen. But technically speaking Jesus went into the Temple to clean out the money changers, etc. There were no Believers (in Jesus Christ) then because there was no Church yet. I think a better term would be the "religious" gathered. Yet their religion was pretty pitiful in God's eyes as even Israel sought after other idols, didn't follow God's law, and were in desperate need of Messiah.

For discussion purposes here's the passage in context. I believe God created people in particular with the potential for good and evil. Ultimately it comes down to a choice in every decision of life to follow God or reject His ways. The only way to follow God is through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Are you sure this passage says that God created evil?

1 Cor. 1:15-23

The Preeminence of Christ

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation[g] under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

 

God bless,

GE

 

I did say "where the religous gathered", and said "the religous sect". I said nothing about a church, however, is that not what the synogogue represented was the church? (where the religous gathered)?

 

No, they did not believe in Jesus, nor did they believe the prophets of ole that told of his coming, nor did they believe John the baptist when he annouced who Jesus is when HE came to him. Oh, but they believed in GOD??? The "religous sect" is very skeptical and disbelieveing. This is still happening today. I mean go read the post, "a sword on my bathroom mirror".

 

The same thing happens within those "gathering places" today. The religous sect has not changed. So many years after Jesus walking the land, the "religous sect" has fell further and further away. They will not recieve messengers that GOD sends to them today. "Believers" still do what they want to do, when they want to do it, without considering GOD or living according to the WORD. Then cry and complain about why their life is in chambles. Maybe should have prayed to GOD first and wait for Truth to respond, and not what the neighbor or the pastor thought was best to do. We are a "now" people. We want, what we want, and when we want it, right now.

 

You said, "Their religion was pretty pitiful in God's eyes because they sought after idols, did not follow God's law and such.

Wonder how GOD looks at "religion" today?

HE is wrath. HE sent his SON, and most of the "religous sect" continue to try to live by the law. The "chains of bondage" are in those places, and everyone is scared to speak what the Holy Spirit is saying because of fear. Very few are willing to suffer for "HIS NAMES SAKE", I believe it is safe to say, Most do not have a clue what that even means. Few know what happens when you stand on God's Word of Truth and spirits in those places are being convicted or reproved. The HOLY Spirit convicts and reproves, I am just the messenger God sent in to get the "party started". Many demons are sitting in those places. They scoff you, growl, lie, call you the devil, scatter your name as bad, chase you from city to city, "being church to church", HE has told us these things will they do. HE has told us, there are those, that will not recieve you, because they have not recieved HIM who sent you. I very sadly say. Yes, I see the DIVISION.

 

Yes, the Collosian passage, I believe, reinstates what Genesis already told us. The word "ALL" is a small word with a very big punch, and is easily read over with no thought of ALL. Why? because ALL means just that. ALL. We want to believe there is only Good principalities and powers. Wrong, there are wicked principalities and powers about and around us. HE said, HE created ALL of it.

I only know this in depth because the HOLY Spirit leads me into ALL Truth by revelation knowledge.

 

We are not waiting on GOD, God is waiting on us, "to believe".

 

Blessings brother

[Spock]

What other passages apply to this idea? How do you view evil?

Genesis 2

9And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

I believe evil is a necessary ingredient to understanding good. Without bad, good would not exist because there would be nothing to compare it too.

Just my opinion.

Couldn't have said it any better amigo. Clap clap

Edited December 31, 2013 by Spock

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

What other passages apply to this idea? How do you view evil?

Genesis 2

9And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

I believe evil is a necessary ingredient to understanding good. Without bad, good would not exist because there would be nothing to compare it too.

Just my opinion.

Couldn't have said it any better amigo. Clap clap

 

It's not true, though.

[Spock]

Is this true? James 1

13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

This is all I need to know.

[gdemoss]

 

Question then: Was sin intentional on God's part? In other words did God create Adam and Eve knowing He would need to send His Son to die for the sins of mankind?

 

yes

 

 

I remember the day I came to this conclusion, Sam.  I was floored.  Yes, God purposely has set everything up then in motion and will end it all appropriately as well. God is God and there is only one true God.

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

Question then: Was sin intentional on God's part? In other words did God create Adam and Eve knowing He would need to send His Son to die for the sins of mankind?

 

yes

 

 

I remember the day I came to this conclusion, Sam.  I was floored.  Yes, God purposely has set everything up then in motion and will end it all appropriately as well. God is God and there is only one true God.

 

 

Amen!