THE WORD OF GOD IS IRREVOCABLE

[Guest ninhao]

Oh DakilangPag-asa you may become cross with me

 

I'm now including into this study other possibilities which arise from

 

Gal 3:16-17  The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.  (17)  What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
 

There is also the possibility, it seems, that Israel's time as strangers in Egypt began with the birth of Isaac, and the total time spent in Egypt began 30 years before this. ( Abraham was living in Egypt at this time ). In this possibility Abraham is included as part of Israel because he is their beginning. This means however; that the time that Israel spent in Egypt after reuniting with Joseph is only 215 years

 

 

Don't be too cross with me please this is a very interesting study and your premise is currently a high possibility.

[Dak]

Oh DakilangPag-asa you may become cross with me

I'm now including into this study other possibilities which arise from

Gal 3:16-17 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. (17) What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

There is also the possibility, it seems, that Israel's time as strangers in Egypt began with the birth of Isaac, and the total time spent in Egypt began 30 years before this. ( Abraham was living in Egypt at this time ). In this possibility Abraham is included as part of Israel because he is their beginning. This means however; that the time that Israel spent in Egypt after reuniting with Joseph is only 215 years

Don't be too cross with me please this is a very interesting study and your premise is currently a high possibility.

Well, I'm glad that I've got you revved up. But please, before you start taking me into the soapbox forum, know that I'm no Bible scholar. I'm just a 30 year old male who still have a lot to learn about the Bible himself.

Also, Jerry doesn't deserve to have his thread derailed (and I believe this one is very important to him), so let's stick to the topics at hand, shall we?

Anyway, now that you've tried to be funny, I have no choice then but to revise the post I was going to make tonight in response to your latest post (it's past 9 p.m. here), so that means you'll just have to wait until tomorrow...

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[Guest ninhao]

 

Also, Jerry doesn't deserve to have his thread derailed (and I believe this one is very important to him), so let's stick to the topics at hand, shall we?

 

 

Ok sure. If both our understanding is incorrect it will be good to investigate outside of them though don't you think ? From what I've read of Jerry's posts he will be glad to see the truth in the matter regardless if it fits the confines of the initial presentation. After all what is the benefit in refuting an incorrect understanding while holding another ? ( if this is the case )

 

So far my numbers don't fit with my first assertion as you have said ( it's funny I've always thought it to be true but never researched it until this challenge ). I'm still crunching

[Dak]

Hey ninhao, you were very specific in this: 30 years of freedom, immediately followed by 400 years of slavery. For a total period of 430 years. No transition period.

You might not have said it directly, but the implications are crystal: The Israelites were enslaved right after Joseph died, and that Joseph died after the Israelites were in Egypt only 30 years. This is why I've talked about Joseph's age and death, for Joseph clearly lived longer than that, and the Israelites also clearly received more than 30 years of favor from the Egyptians.

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Why does the slavery necessarily need to immediately follow Joseph's death ? At this stage I'm still considering the timing of the Israelite arrival into Egypt which seems important. I'll be done researching by the weekend.

Hey ninhao, I just want to address this small misunderstanding between us.

You've been wondering why I keep on insisting that you had made this assumption -- that the Israelites' slavery began immediately after Joseph died. Right? But it's obvious now that you don't hold this position -- that we are indeed both in agreement about this, that this is wrong -- so let me just explain to you why I thought you did hold this position, and leave this matter behind.

Your own words are, "This period of freedom and blessing in Egypt was 30 years which was followed by 400 years of slavery before emancipation," and "There wasn't an extension of the 400 years but simply the first 30 years in Egypt weren't in slavery."

And to repeat my own words to you, "You were very specific in this: 30 years of freedom, immediately followed by 400 years of slavery. For a total period of 430 years. No transition period."

And now if what you're saying is true, then Joseph should have died at the end of this first 30 years -- because it was only after his death that the Isrealites were enslaved (this, that Joseph had died at this specific point in time, is your implication), and that this enslaving was also done immediately after his death (this is your unspoken assumption), so as to begin the next 400 years of bondage.

As I've said, and as derived from your own words, there is no transition period between the first 30 years and the next 400 years. This means therefore immediate change: from freedom to servitude, from freemen to slaves.

Do you understand now? Please say you do. ~

[Dak]

Also, Jerry doesn't deserve to have his thread derailed (and I believe this one is very important to him), so let's stick to the topics at hand, shall we?

Ok sure. If both our understanding is incorrect it will be good to investigate outside of them though don't you think ? From what I've read of Jerry's posts he will be glad to see the truth in the matter regardless if it fits the confines of the initial presentation. After all what is the benefit in refuting an incorrect understanding while holding another ? ( if this is the case )

So far my numbers don't fit with my first assertion as you have said ( it's funny I've always thought it to be true but never researched it until this challenge ). I'm still crunching

I'm starting to like you, ninhao

Ok, as I am the one who challenged you, and because I'm sure that it was God who led me to do it, then I'm with you until we have resolved this. And if Jerry has no objections... then let's do it in this thread.

Having said that, I'm going to have to ask for some time then to do some studies of my own (can't let you be the only sounding like a Bible scholar, can I?). Today is Wednesday. How about we resume our discussion next Wednesday? This will give us enough time to ready ourselves. What do you say?

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[Guest ninhao]

 

 

I'm starting to like you, ninhao

Ok, as I am the one who challenged you, and because I'm sure that it was God who led me to do it, then I'm with you until we have resolved this. And if Jerry has no objections... then let's do it in this thread.

Having said that, I'm going to have to ask for some time then to do some studies of my own (can't let you be the only sounding like a Bible scholar, can I?). Today is Wednesday. How about we resume our discussion next Wednesday? This will give us enough time to ready ourselves. What do you say?

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A challenge ! 

 

May I call you Dak ? ( I like this shortened name it reeks of strength ). Yes let's fully investigate this and see where it leads and I agree this is quite an involved study and requires much time. I'm planning on spending Saturday devoted to research.

 

Please forgive me if in any way I present as a Bible scholar. This is entirely accidental because I'm very much a novice but enjoy the learning curve. 

 

See you next week

[Dak]

I'm starting to like you, ninhao

Ok, as I am the one who challenged you, and because I'm sure that it was God who led me to do it, then I'm with you until we have resolved this. And if Jerry has no objections... then let's do it in this thread.

Having said that, I'm going to have to ask for some time then to do some studies of my own (can't let you be the only sounding like a Bible scholar, can I?). Today is Wednesday. How about we resume our discussion next Wednesday? This will give us enough time to ready ourselves. What do you say?

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A challenge !

May I call you Dak ? ( I like this shortened name it reeks of strength ). Yes let's fully investigate this and see where it leads and I agree this is quite an involved study and requires much time. I'm planning on spending Saturday devoted to research.

Please forgive me if in any way I present as a Bible scholar. This is entirely accidental because I'm very much a novice but enjoy the learning curve.

See you next week

That Bible scholar stuff is just my little joke. Don't take it seriously.

Ok. You can call me, Dak. I kind of like it too. I admit that my username is a mouthful, but it's my pseudonym as a writer, and it's a good idea to use it here also instead of inventing another. But it's not really a name; it's a Filipino phrase that translates to "great hope." And if you're a Filipino like me it would be a little weird indeed to call someone that. But Dak is a real name. And I think I can live with it. I may even come to love it.

See you next week.

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Just to throw it out there ... 30 years in scripture is the beginning of service in the temple.

 

The biblical year is 360 days, times the years they spent in bondage 400 equals 144,000 days, same as the number of those sealed in Revelation.

[Jerry1023]

I'm with you guys,the bible said that we shall know the truth,and the truth shall set us free: what do you guys think of the new guy,that posted his replied,I don't think i understood what he is insinuating,

[Dak]

I'm with you guys,the bible said that we shall know the truth,and the truth shall set us free: what do you guys think of the new guy,that posted his replied,I don't think i understood what he is insinuating,

I'm not sure either. But I think he's just giving us some Bible facts that could be useful in our discussions.

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