can demons influence objects?

[Guest man]

You guys there is a difference between people who are possessed and the mentally ill. There is real mental illness out there. 

 

 

Yes I know. I take 75mg of Venlafaxine...twice a day.  

 

 

Some here would have me believe I have demons in my head. 

[Guest ninhao]

 

Yes ok but a possessed or demonised person may appear as having a mental illness do you think ? 

 

 

I honestly don't know.

 

 

Mar 9:17-18  A man in the crowd answered, "Teacher, I brought you my son, who is possessed by a spirit that has robbed him of speech.  (18)  Whenever it seizes him, it throws him to the ground. He foams at the mouth, gnashes his teeth and becomes rigid. I asked your disciples to drive out the spirit, but they could not."

 

 

[preciouspearl]

 

 

 

Why the sad face?  

 

i just find it hurtful that mental illness is being called demonic and i was hoping that maybe the guy i talked about was wrong

[Guest man]

 

 

Yes ok but a possessed or demonised person may appear as having a mental illness do you think ? 

 

 

I honestly don't know.

 

 

Mar 9:17-18  A man in the crowd answered, "Teacher, I brought you my son, who is possessed by a spirit that has robbed him of speech.  (18)  Whenever it seizes him, it throws him to the ground. He foams at the mouth, gnashes his teeth and becomes rigid. I asked your disciples to drive out the spirit, but they could not."

 

 

 

 

I think that's a little bit more than mental illness. 

[Guest ninhao]

 

 

 

Yes ok but a possessed or demonised person may appear as having a mental illness do you think ? 

 

 

I honestly don't know.

 

 

Mar 9:17-18  A man in the crowd answered, "Teacher, I brought you my son, who is possessed by a spirit that has robbed him of speech.  (18)  Whenever it seizes him, it throws him to the ground. He foams at the mouth, gnashes his teeth and becomes rigid. I asked your disciples to drive out the spirit, but they could not."

 

 

 

 

I think that's a little bit more than mental illness. 

 

 

Possibly; but don't you think lesser forms of these symptoms may be seen as mental illness ?  Anyway I'm not trying to convince you of anything nor am I trying to suggest every "mental" illness  is demonic.

[Guest man]

 

 

 

 

Yes ok but a possessed or demonised person may appear as having a mental illness do you think ? 

 

 

I honestly don't know.

 

 

Mar 9:17-18  A man in the crowd answered, "Teacher, I brought you my son, who is possessed by a spirit that has robbed him of speech.  (18)  Whenever it seizes him, it throws him to the ground. He foams at the mouth, gnashes his teeth and becomes rigid. I asked your disciples to drive out the spirit, but they could not."

 

 

 

 

I think that's a little bit more than mental illness. 

 

 

Possibly; but don't you think lesser forms of these symptoms may be seen as mental illness ?  Anyway I'm not trying to convince you of anything nor am I trying to suggest every "mental" illness  is demonic.

 

 

 

This is just my opinion, but what is described in verse 18 sounds more like epilepsy than mental illness. And I realize epilepsy is caused by abnormal activity in brain cells, but the mental illness discussed here has more to do with depression than anything else. 

 

Most types of epilepsy, like depression can be controlled with medication. If an illness can be controlled with medication, I don't believe that illness is caused by demonic forces. 

 

Of course this is just my opinion. That and a dollar will get you a can of pop. 

[Guest ninhao]

 

Of course this is just my opinion. That and a dollar will get you a can of pop. 

 

 

Not here

[other one]

anyone who seriously deals with possession will tell you that a person's mental health should be checked before trying to deal with any suspected demonic problems.

 

If a person is truly mentally ill, the things that go on in an exorcism would be extremely dangerous for both the mental and physical health of the person.

 

Malnutrtion can cause mental illness......   lack of sleep can cause clinical depression......   there's a lot of mind problems that have little to nothing to do with demons.

[Lost]

The question is; what is the demons purpose? They are cast out of heaven, defeated, and their time is running out. What is left for them but revenge? Hurting those God loves is the only thing left to them. Some they may possess, like legion; for they were many. That person reacted like somebody with brain damage. The person was healed when they were driven out by Christ. Others are more like Nero. Read about him and it is pretty obvious he was heavily influenced by the fallen.

 

With the exception of us the world is under their dominion. We are behind enemy lines! You cannot turn on the TV without being confronted with revenge and violence and flagrant sex without consequence and every immoral thing. It has become unsafe to say a discouraging word towards sexual immorality. You could lose your job or worse. The most common TV theme is the bad guy hurting some innocent people so that the good guy can justify blowing him away in a most gruesome manner. On television you can show somebodys guts getting ripped out with blood splattering in every direction but you cannot express a negative opinion on homosexuality or abortion.

 

We do not need demons to sin, or fall away from God. We are completely capable of that all on our own but they are crafty and know how to turn our eyes from the cross and onto devination and idol worship and other forbidden practices. They have us wasting ourselves on foolishness like alien abduction rather than praying and reading the bible. They lead us to choose between the truth of the bible or what has been put forth as social norms and political correctness. Who will refuse the mark of the beast when we won't even accept and stand up for biblical truth? Haven't we already accepted the mark?  

 

As far as demons go; they are evil, they are dangerous, flee from them. They are beyond your understanding and they will bring you down. Do not play in these things, avoid them.

 

As far as mental illness goes; it can be caused by demons but it is not neccessarily related in any way. Do as you should, pray for them, help them, comfort them.   

 

Can they move furniture? Perhaps, they don't have to. They'll just get you to do it if it serves their purpose. Clearly the greatest threat they pose to us is to influence us. They generally don't materialize in front of people, but why not if they can? Perhaps they want to keep us doubting. They tempt us with ghost stories but never really reveal anything concrete. Of course if we knew for certain they were real wouldn't that drive a lot of people to pick up their bibles? They definitely don't want that. It's better to keep people speculating.

Edited December 19, 2013 by Lost

[Guest man]

The question is; what is the demons purpose? They are cast out of heaven, defeated, and their time is running out. What is left for them but revenge? Hurting those God loves is the only thing left to them. Some they may possess, like legion; for they were many. That person reacted like somebody with brain damage. The person was healed when they were driven out by Christ. Others are more like Nero. Read about him and it is pretty obvious he was heavily influenced by the fallen.

 

With the exception of us the world is under their dominion. We are behind enemy lines! You cannot turn on the TV without being confronted with revenge and violence and flagrant sex without consequence and every immoral thing. It has become unsafe to say a discouraging word towards sexual immorality. You could lose your job or worse. The most common TV theme is the bad guy hurting some innocent people so that the good guy can justify blowing him away in a most gruesome manner. On television you can show somebodys guts getting ripped out with blood splattering in every direction but you cannot express a negative opinion on homosexuality or abortion.

 

We do not need demons to sin, or fall away from God. We are completely capable of that all on our own but they are crafty and know how to turn our eyes from the cross and onto devination and idol worship and other forbidden practices. They have us wasting ourselves on foolishness like alien abduction rather than praying and reading the bible. They lead us to choose between the truth of the bible or what has been put forth as social norms and political correctness. Who will refuse the mark of the beast when we won't even accept and stand up for biblical truth? Haven't we already accepted the mark?  

 

As far as demons go; they are evil, they are dangerous, flee from them. They are beyond your understanding and they will bring you down. Do not play in these things, avoid them.

 

As far as mental illness goes; it can be caused by demons but it is not neccessarily related in any way. Do as you should, pray for them, help them, comfort them.   

 

Can they move furniture? Perhaps, they don't have to. They'll just get you to do it if it serves their purpose. Clearly the greatest threat they pose to us is to influence us. They generally don't materialize in front of people, but why not if they can? Perhaps they want to keep us doubting. They tempt us with ghost stories but never really reveal anything concrete. Of course if we knew for certain they were real wouldn't that drive a lot of people to pick up their bibles? They definitely don't want that. It's better to keep people speculating.

 

 

Good post.  

 

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