nonbelievers on worship teams?

[Guest man]

 

 

 

Everybody thought Jennifer Knapp was anointed until she came out of the closet. 

So what?  That has nothing to do with worship teams in churches.  For every bad apple there are tens of thousands of authentic followers of Jesus.  The exception to the rule doesn't negate the rule.

 

 

If you say so. 

 

 

Either you're indwelled with the Holy Spirit or not. It's that simple.

 

 

 

Kinda goes without saying.  

[ayin jade]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see how you can lead worship via the worship team if you aren't a believer.

 

 

Nothing was said about nonbelievers "leading" in worship services.

 

 

They are still part of the worship team. Part of a ministry. Is that appropriate?

 

 

do you believe he would come to church if not allowed to play in the worship team?

 

 

I believe worship to be holy before the Lord. I do not worship at a buddhist temple. I do not worship at an islamic mosque. I consider it profane to have someone who has no belief in God to be part of the worship leadership. God did not permit blemished sacrifices or blemished priests. There is a reason for that. Someone who is not a believer is blemished. While church is to bring lost folks to salvation, it is a place for saved folks to worship and draw close to the Lord. Seeker friendly stuff only diminishes the quality of worship for the body of Christ. 

 

Someone who comes just to play instruments isnt gaining anything anyway. They are not seeking Him. They are fulfilling their flesh.

 

I have not cast them out of church either. They are welcome to be in the pews. But not in leadership roles.

 

 

It is my belief that everyone that God used was blemished.  Look at the people God choose to do things, they were all far from perfect as they get.   Moses was a murderer, Abraham was a coward, Samson was a drunk and womanizer, Matthew was a tax collector...the list is endless.  God uses everyone, even those who do not know him personally.

 

You never know what it will be that will bring someone to Christ. Even if he is not going for the right reason, seems he has a better chance to be saved being there than not being there.

 

 

They were saved though. With the Lord to guide them. Not unbelievers. 

 

 

Lets look at the case of Samson...in what form or manner was he "saved"?  He was a tool used by the Lord to complete a mission. 

 

Samson wasnt just a tool. He was sent by God, filled with the Spirit.

 

Judges 13

7 But He said to me, Behold, you shall conceive and bear a son. And now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any uncleanthing , for the boy shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb to the day of his death.

 

Judges 14

19 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him,

[Guest shiloh357]

Should unbelievers lead Christians in worship in a church service?

 

 

 

by Matt Slick

 

 

 

This question should never arise in the Christian church, but unfortunately, it needs to be addressed because there are churches in America that have unbelievers leading Christians in worship in Sunday morning services.  This is wrong, and it is a sign of apostasy in the Christian church.

 

First of all, worship can only be rightly performed by believers who have been justified and sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ (1 Pet. 2:9).  Only blood-bought believers have the right to worship God because only they have a mediator by which their worship may be accepted (1 Tim. 2:5).  The unbeliever has no mediator.  Unbelievers do not have that right to praise God for His goodness and mercy because they are in a state of rejecting it -- which is why they are unbelievers -- and they are unclean before God!  Remember how God rejected the sacrifice of Cain who was a murderer (Gen. 4:5)--how much more the false and hypocritical worship of unbelievers.  Jesus said to the Pharisees and Scribes, "You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, "This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me," (Matt. 15:8).  Are the unbelievers any better off than the Pharisees and Scribes?  No, they are, like the Pharisees, under harsher judgment.

 

 

How dare the unbeliever lead the believer in worship of the true and Holy God when he or she is in a state of rebellion against God!  May it never be!  "But to the wicked God says, “What right have you to tell of My statutes, and to take My covenant in your mouth?" (Psalm 50:16).  Can the unbeliever praise God with the following words and not be a hypocrite?  "Come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before the Lord our Maker. For He is our God, And we are the people of His pasture, and the sheep of His hand," (Psalm 95:6-7).  No.  He cannot!  To sing such praises is a mockery to God.  Therefore, they are in the same state as those who are condemned by Christ on the day of judgment:

 

"Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’  "And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness,’ (Matt. 7:22-23).

 

 

 

Second, it is hypocritical for a pastor to have unbelieving musicians come into the church of Lord and lead blood-bought believers in worship.  Hypocrisy is saying (singing) one thing and doing another.  It is a display of behavior of falseness.  And that is exactly what the pastor is encouraging when he has unbelievers lead believers in praises to God because, in their hearts, they do not trust in the sacrifice of Christ.  Their words are singing praises of trust and adoration to God when in their hearts they do not believe it. 

 

 

http://carm.org/should-unbelievers-lead-christians-worship-church-service