Is 'soul sleep' doctrinal?

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Jeremiah 1:5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

This scripture shows that Jeremiah was already with the Lord before God even formed his body in his mother's womb.  Also before Jeremiah was even born into this world God had set him apart to be a prophet.   The calling of God was upon Jeremiah before he was born.  We exist in spirit with God before we are even created within an earthly body.  We not only exist in spirit but we are with God and are known by God all before we are formed in our mother's womb.

 

This is another example of what I’ve been talking about. This passage say nothing about how a man is formed.  It says nothing about Jeremiah existing before he was born. That idea is being inferred from the statement “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;”

There is another way to understand this. God knew his plans for Jeremiah before he was created.  It could simply be that God knew His plans for Jeremiah before He formed him. This understanding doesn’t contradict any other passages of Scripture. You’re claim that Jeremiah existed before is his body contradicts multiple passages of Scripture. If an interpretation contradicts Scripture it’s incorrect.

 

Jeremiah did exist before his body was created within his mother's womb.  The passage of scripture clearly shows that God did know Jeremiah before he was born into this world.  If Jeremiah did not exist before he was born into this world then there is no way he could have been known by God because he wouldn't have existed in the mind of God.  But the passage clearly states the God knew Jeremiah before his body was formed within his mother's womb.  The fact that you are giving your own understanding to the scripture text proves that God knew Jeremiah before he was created.  As you acknowledge God's plan for Jeremiah as God has a purpose and plan for everyone before they are even created in the natural realm of things.   

 

No, he couldn't have. You're interpretation contradicts multiple passages of Scripture. It can be easily understood that God knew Jeremiah just as an engineer knows the car he's designed before it is built. He knows how fast it will go, how it will handle, etc. because he is the one who has designed it. Gen. 2:7 tells us how man was created. He did not exist before God formed his body from the earth and breathed His breath/spirit into the body and then man became a living soul. There was nothing of Jeremiah to exist prior to his body being formed. The Scriptures are clear on this. We have multiple passages that all address this issue. Man is a body and the breath of God nothing else. He cannot exist without a body that is what the Scriptures teach.

 

You guys continue to claim that there is something in man that can live outside of the body yet have not attempted to show where the Scriptures teach this..The idea is coming from inferences that you guys are drawing from certain passages. Notice that I am making an inductive argument. I am showing Scripture that shows how a man is created, how he dies, and how he is resurrected. Everyone of those texts says the same thing. There is a body and the breath/spirit of God and nothing else. 

 

Your argument assumes that man is something other than a body because your claim is that he can live without the body. The Scriptures teach no such thing. I've already posted several passages showing that a soul is a being that has a body, it is not something that lives apart from the body.

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Two questions to ask you, you don't have to answer if you don't want to.

Do you believe Jesus is God deity and one with God, and do you believe the Holy Spirit is a force or a person? - DRS81

 

 

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. The Holy Spirit is a person  Since the Father is deity that which comes out of Him is deity.

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Here are few other passages that use the word soul.

 

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Gen 1:21 KJV)

 

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. (Gen 1:30 KJV)

 

4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. (Gen 9:4 KJV)

 

The word “Life” in this passage is “Nephesh” which is translated soul. From this we can see that the “soul” is in the blood. Blood refers to a physical body not something immaterial that exists apart from the body.

 

5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. (Gen 9:5 KJV)

 

Here it’s, your blood of your souls, so a soul has blood. It is a body that has blood not something immaterial apart from the body.

 

15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. (Gen 9:15 KJV)

 

A soul has flesh.

 

13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee. (Gen 12:13 KJV)

5 And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already. (Exo 1:5 KJV)

 

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Lev 4:2 KJV)

 

Souls can sin.

 

6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day: (Num 9:6 KJV)

 

Here a soul can be dead.

 

6 No man shall take the nether or the upper millstone to pledge: for he taketh a man's life to pledge. (Deu 24:6 KJV)

 

37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. (Jos 10:37 KJV)

 

Here souls can be killed with a sword.

 

25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? (Mat 6:25 KJV)

 

Here souls eat and drink.

 

35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. (Mar 8:35 KJV)

 

Here a person can lose his soul.

 

9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it? (Luk 6:9 KJV)

 

Here souls can be destroyed.

 

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. (Joh 10:11 KJV)

 

Jesus laid down His soul for the sheep. Was He some kind of immaterial being that went to the cross or was it a physical body that lost its life on the cross?

 

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Act 2:27 KJV)

Here we see Jesus’ soul was in the grave. That’s where the body goes.

 

I honestly don't even know where to start. How about you just ask the question. What scripture do you want me to focus on?

 

Ask the question?

[Openly Curious]

 

 

Psalms 139:13-18 - For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.  I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made:  marvelous are thy works: and that my soul knoweth right well.  My "substance" was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.  Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all "my members" were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.  How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God!  how great is the sum of them!  If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand:  when I awake, I am still with thee.

King David said that his substance (strength and body) wasn't hid from God when his body was being formed in secret (mother's womb) in the earth.  He further states that God's eyes did see his body (substance) when he was still unperfect (before he was formed).  Also that in God's record book that there was a record of all the member parts of his body in which God fashioned and made for him "before"  he even existed in his body or before his body was even created.  King David as Jeremiah the prophet shows that we do exist in spirit with God and God knows us personally before he created a earthly body for us to live in while we were still inside of our mother's womb

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The passage says substance, that not a spirit that’s a body. Unperfect doesn’t mean before he was formed, it mean incomplete.

 

 

 

That is exactly what I said in my post that "substance" was (strength and body).  Unperfect does mean incomplete and in what you are saying here you are acknowleging you exist even before you are completely formed in your body. 

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Here are few other passages that use the word soul.

 

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Gen 1:21 KJV)

 

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. (Gen 1:30 KJV)

 

4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. (Gen 9:4 KJV)

 

The word “Life” in this passage is “Nephesh” which is translated soul. From this we can see that the “soul” is in the blood. Blood refers to a physical body not something immaterial that exists apart from the body.

 

5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. (Gen 9:5 KJV)

 

Here it’s, your blood of your souls, so a soul has blood. It is a body that has blood not something immaterial apart from the body.

 

15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. (Gen 9:15 KJV)

 

A soul has flesh.

 

13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee. (Gen 12:13 KJV)

5 And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already. (Exo 1:5 KJV)

 

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Lev 4:2 KJV)

 

Souls can sin.

 

6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day: (Num 9:6 KJV)

 

Here a soul can be dead.

 

6 No man shall take the nether or the upper millstone to pledge: for he taketh a man's life to pledge. (Deu 24:6 KJV)

 

37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. (Jos 10:37 KJV)

 

Here souls can be killed with a sword.

 

25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? (Mat 6:25 KJV)

 

Here souls eat and drink.

 

35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. (Mar 8:35 KJV)

 

Here a person can lose his soul.

 

9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it? (Luk 6:9 KJV)

 

Here souls can be destroyed.

 

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. (Joh 10:11 KJV)

 

Jesus laid down His soul for the sheep. Was He some kind of immaterial being that went to the cross or was it a physical body that lost its life on the cross?

 

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Act 2:27 KJV)

Here we see Jesus’ soul was in the grave. That’s where the body goes.

 

I honestly don't even know where to start. How about you just ask the question. What scripture do you want me to focus on?

 

Ask the question?

 

 

 

What scripture here do you want me to focus on.

[Openly Curious]

The basis of my argument is that there is nothing in Scripture that teaches man has a spirit other than the breath/spirit of God that we see in the creation of Adam. God formed him from the dust of the earth and breathed into him the breath/spirit of life and Adam “Became” a living soul. Scripture doesn’t teach any other spirit in a man, nothing.  So there is nothing that can live on after death. If you can make a case showing where the Scriptures teach this I’d be more than happy to look at it. However, all anyone does is give passages from which they’ve “inferred” the idea.  Just because something can be inferred from a passage doesn’t mean that that is what the passage is teaching. There’s nothing in the Scriptures with which an inductive argument can be made.

 

 

What you a failing to recognize is the soul of a man.  You are holding to the belief that man is only a two part being.  I am not saying that man has another spirit other than the breath of God though you seem to think I am. 

 

Man was created a three part being.  In the book of Genesis when God created Adam you have...

1.) God formed his body from out of the dust of the ground hence a body. 

2.) Then God breathed the breath of Life into that body that he created out of the dust of the ground (being the life and Spirit of God) hence a spirit. 

3.) And then man "became" a living soul hence a soul. 

 

Man is a three part being made up of a body, a spirit and a soul.  You can't "become" (a soul) anything in this earth without a body or the life or spirit of God within that body.  The very breath that God breathed into the nostrils of Adam's body in the beginning of the human race the human race is still thriving on that breath and Spirit of God on the inside of our body that we live in. 

 

If the breath or life of the spirit is taken from our body then it return back to God who gave it.  The body would return to dust from which it came. The soul that we became or the person we became in this earth in the life or breath that God gave goes back to God and we cease to exist in an earthly body no longer able to live our lives in the earth .  Without the breath and life of God in our mortal bodies we cannot "become" (a living soul) or be anything in this earth.  Take the breath of God away then our life which is God's to start with will return back to him who gave it to us.  But with a body and the life of God given to our body we can become the soul God created us and ordained us to be in this earth.  And we will all give account of the life we lived in this earth in our earthly bodies whether they be good or bad.

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Where does Scripture teach that there is something in man that lives on between death and the resurrection?

 

Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

 

"Non parem Paulo veniam require, Gratiam Petri neque posco, sed quam In crucis ligno dederis latroni http://biblehub.com/luke/23-43.htm

Sedulus oro." This striking verse is engraved on the tomb of the great Copernicus, and alludes to this prayer and its answer. Paradise. This is the only instance we have of our Lord's using this well-known word. In the ordinary language used by the Jews, of the unseen world, it signifies the" Garden of Eden," or "(Abraham's bosom/also read Luke 16:19-31 DRS81);" it represented the locality where the souls of the righteous would find a home, after death separated soul and body. The New Testament writers, Luke and Paul and John, use it (Acts 2:31; 1 Corinthians 15:5; 2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7). To Luke and Paul, probably, this was a memory of the word spoken on the cross, which they alone record in their Gospel. It may have been told Luke by the Mother of sorrows herself. John, who uses it in his Revelation, doubtless heard it himself as he stood at the foot of the cross. Paradeisos is derived from the Persian word pardes, which signifies a park or garden.

 

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible http://biblehub.com/luke/23-43.htm

and which, when enjoyed, will be for ever: and this he was to enter upon that very day; which shows, that Christ's soul did not descend into hell, locally and literally considered, or into the "Limbus Patrum", the Papists talk of, to fetch the souls of the patriarchs thence, but as soon as it was separated from the body was taken up into heaven; and also, that the souls of departed saints are immediately, upon their separation from the body, there; which was the case of this wonderful instance of the grace of God; and shows the swiftness of the soul, or the velocity of angels in conveying it thither immediately: and this agrees with the sense of the Jews, who say (b), that

"the souls of the fathers, or patriarchs have rest, and in a moment, immediately enter into their separate places, or apartments, and not as the rest of the souls; of whom it is said, all the twelve months the soul ascends and descends, (goes to and fro,) but the souls of the fathers, , "immediately, upon their separation", return to God that gave them.''

 

Eccl 3:21 Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?"

 

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary http://biblehub.com/ecclesiastes/3-21.htm

But as none can fully comprehend, so few consider properly, the difference between the rational soul of man, and the spirit or life of the beast. The spirit of man goes upward, to be judged, and is then fixed in an unchangeable state of happiness or misery.

 

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible http://biblehub.com/ecclesiastes/3-21.htm

Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward?.... There is indeed a difference between a man and a beast; though they have one breath, they have not one spirit or soul; man has a rational and immortal soul, which, when he dies, goes upwards to God that gave it; to be judged by him, and disposed of by him, in its proper apartment, until the day of the resurrection of the body;

 

Eccl 12:7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. 

 

Pulpit Commentary http://biblehub.com/ecclesiastes/12-7.htm

he comes to the conclusion that there is a future for the individual soul, and that it shall be brought into immediate connection with a personal God.

rather the sentence signifies that death, releasing the spirit, or soul, from the earthly tabernacle, places it in the more immediate presence of God, there, as the Targum paraphrases the passage, returning to stand in judgment before its Creator.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible http://biblehub.com/ecclesiastes/12-7.htm

Now at death the soul, or spirit of man, returns to God; which if understood of the souls of men in general, it means that at death they return to God the Judge of all, who passes sentence on them, and orders those that are good to the mansions of bliss and happiness, and those that are evil to hell and destruction. So the Targum adds,

this shows that the soul is immortal, and dies not with the body, nor sleeps in the grave with it, but is immediately with God.

 

2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

 

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/5-8.htm

But believing souls shall be clothed with garments of praise, with robes of righteousness and glory.

This shows clearly the happiness to be enjoyed by the souls of believers when absent from the body, and where Jesus makes known his glorious presence. We are related to the body and to the Lord; each claims a part in us. But how much more powerfully the Lord pleads for having the soul of the believer closely united with himself! Thou art one of the souls I have loved and chosen; one of those given to me. What is death, as an object of fear, compared with being absent from the Lord!

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/5-8.htm

to be absent from the body; that is, to die, to depart out of this world. The interval between death, and the resurrection, is a state of absence from the body, during which time the soul is disembodied, and exists in a separate state; not in a state of inactivity and sleep, for that would not be desirable, but of happiness and glory, enjoying the presence of God, and praising of him, believing and waiting for the resurrection of the body, when both will be united together again; and after that there will be no more absence, neither from the body, nor from the Lord:

 

Php 1:23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far;

 

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Death is not an annihilation of men, neither of soul nor body; it is a separation of them,

but after death they are immediately with him, where he is in his human nature; and their souls in their separate state continue with him till the resurrection morn, when their bodies will be raised and reunited to their souls, and be both for ever with him,

if souls are not with him, they are with devils and damned spirits, in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: and it is also manifest that souls do not sleep with the body in the grave until the resurrection; the souls of the saints are immediately with Christ, in the enjoyment of his presence, in happiness and glory, hoping, believing, and waiting for the resurrection of their bodies.

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Psalms 139:13-18 - For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.  I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made:  marvelous are thy works: and that my soul knoweth right well.  My "substance" was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.  Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all "my members" were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.  How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God!  how great is the sum of them!  If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand:  when I awake, I am still with thee.

King David said that his substance (strength and body) wasn't hid from God when his body was being formed in secret (mother's womb) in the earth.  He further states that God's eyes did see his body (substance) when he was still unperfect (before he was formed).  Also that in God's record book that there was a record of all the member parts of his body in which God fashioned and made for him "before"  he even existed in his body or before his body was even created.  King David as Jeremiah the prophet shows that we do exist in spirit with God and God knows us personally before he created a earthly body for us to live in while we were still inside of our mother's womb

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The passage says substance, that not a spirit that’s a body. Unperfect doesn’t mean before he was formed, it mean incomplete.

 

 

 

That is exactly what I said in my post that "substance" was (strength and body).  Unperfect does mean incomplete and in what you are saying here you are acknowleging you exist even before you are completely formed in your body. 

 

I'm not speaking of some kind of out of body existence. I'm speaking of the physical "stuff" that a person is made of.  You guys keeps giving me passages from which you "Infer" your doctrine of an existence apart from the body. Neither of you has made a case showing that Scripture teaches that man exists outside of the body. Your argument contradicts the Scriptures that I've given that clearly explain how God created man and what happens to a man when he dies. We could spend a lot of time dealing with passages from which you're inferring your doctrine. However, if you can't show where Scripture explicitly teaches it, it's simply opinion.

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Here are few other passages that use the word soul.

 

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Gen 1:21 KJV)

 

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. (Gen 1:30 KJV)

 

4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. (Gen 9:4 KJV)

 

The word “Life” in this passage is “Nephesh” which is translated soul. From this we can see that the “soul” is in the blood. Blood refers to a physical body not something immaterial that exists apart from the body.

 

5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. (Gen 9:5 KJV)

 

Here it’s, your blood of your souls, so a soul has blood. It is a body that has blood not something immaterial apart from the body.

 

15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. (Gen 9:15 KJV)

 

A soul has flesh.

 

13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee. (Gen 12:13 KJV)

5 And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already. (Exo 1:5 KJV)

 

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Lev 4:2 KJV)

 

Souls can sin.

 

6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day: (Num 9:6 KJV)

 

Here a soul can be dead.

 

6 No man shall take the nether or the upper millstone to pledge: for he taketh a man's life to pledge. (Deu 24:6 KJV)

 

37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. (Jos 10:37 KJV)

 

Here souls can be killed with a sword.

 

25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? (Mat 6:25 KJV)

 

Here souls eat and drink.

 

35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. (Mar 8:35 KJV)

 

Here a person can lose his soul.

 

9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it? (Luk 6:9 KJV)

 

Here souls can be destroyed.

 

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. (Joh 10:11 KJV)

 

Jesus laid down His soul for the sheep. Was He some kind of immaterial being that went to the cross or was it a physical body that lost its life on the cross?

 

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Act 2:27 KJV)

Here we see Jesus’ soul was in the grave. That’s where the body goes.

 

I honestly don't even know where to start. How about you just ask the question. What scripture do you want me to focus on?

 

Ask the question?

 

 

 

What scripture here do you want me to focus on.

 

All of the highlighted words are the same word in the original language. In the OT they are "Nephesh" which means soul. In the NT and Septuagint they are" Psuche" which means soul. From these passages we see that a soul can eat and drink, wear clothes, be dead, be destroyed, and can be lost.  We see that fish and animals are also souls. It's not that they have a soul it's that they are a soul. The Scriptures call the animals souls. Souls eat and drink, they wear clothes. These are not things that ghosts do these are things that are tied to the body. The idea that a soul can be destroyed clearly refutes the idea that souls are immortal. God said that the soul that sins shall die, yet the doctrine of eternal torment says that the soul that sins does not die but rather burns for eternity. The usage of the word soul in the Scriptures makes it clear that soul means a mortal fleshly living thing and not some kind of ghost that live outside of the body.

[Butch5]

 

The basis of my argument is that there is nothing in Scripture that teaches man has a spirit other than the breath/spirit of God that we see in the creation of Adam. God formed him from the dust of the earth and breathed into him the breath/spirit of life and Adam “Became” a living soul. Scripture doesn’t teach any other spirit in a man, nothing.  So there is nothing that can live on after death. If you can make a case showing where the Scriptures teach this I’d be more than happy to look at it. However, all anyone does is give passages from which they’ve “inferred” the idea.  Just because something can be inferred from a passage doesn’t mean that that is what the passage is teaching. There’s nothing in the Scriptures with which an inductive argument can be made.

 

 

What you a failing to recognize is the soul of a man.  You are holding to the belief that man is only a two part being.  I am not saying that man has another spirit other than the breath of God though you seem to think I am. 

 

Man was created a three part being.  In the book of Genesis when God created Adam you have...

1.) God formed his body from out of the dust of the ground hence a body. 

2.) Then God breathed the breath of Life into that body that he created out of the dust of the ground (being the life and Spirit of God) hence a spirit. 

3.) And then man "became" a living soul hence a soul. 

 

Man is a three part being made up of a body, a spirit and a soul.  You can't "become" (a soul) anything in this earth without a body or the life or spirit of God within that body.  The very breath that God breathed into the nostrils of Adam's body in the beginning of the human race the human race is still thriving on that breath and Spirit of God on the inside of our body that we live in. 

 

If the breath or life of the spirit is taken from our body then it return back to God who gave it.  The body would return to dust from which it came. The soul that we became or the person we became in this earth in the life or breath that God gave goes back to God and we cease to exist in an earthly body no longer able to live our lives in the earth .  Without the breath and life of God in our mortal bodies we cannot "become" (a living soul) or be anything in this earth.  Take the breath of God away then our life which is God's to start with will return back to him who gave it to us.  But with a body and the life of God given to our body we can become the soul God created us and ordained us to be in this earth.  And we will all give account of the life we lived in this earth in our earthly bodies whether they be good or bad.

 

No, man is not 3 parts, he is 2. The two parts became the soul. It's like water, water consists of two parts hydrogen and oxygen. The two elements become water. Water is not made of hydrogen, oxygen, and water. The soul of man consists of a body and God's breath/spirit. When God takes back the breath/spirit, the body dies and the soul (body and God's breath/spirit) ceases to exist.