DoD Orders Propaganda-Altered Bibles

[Peacock]

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Discussion regarding the IBS or the new Bible specifically printed for the United States Army if fine as long as it does not turn into a political conspiracy and/or attack on the current adminstration.

Therefore, feel free to discuss within the Terms of Service.

Be Blessed,

Wayne

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Wayne, you scare me, as people such as yourself demand blind obedience and a lack of critical thinking when it come to the Bush White House.

Here's some food for thought, speaking of the scary Right Wing:

I Am A Conservative Christian, And The Religious Right Scares

Me, Too

By Chuck Baldwin

December 15, 2004

For those readers who are unfamiliar with my biography

(http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.sketch.html), let me here provide a

thumbnail sketch of my conservative bona fides:

I attended, graduated, or received degrees from fundamentalist

Christian schools such as Midwestern Baptist College in Pontiac,

Michigan, Thomas Road Bible Institute (now known as Liberty

Bible Institute at Liberty University) in Lynchburg, Virginia,

Christian Bible College in Rocky Mount, North Carolina, and

Trinity Baptist College in Jacksonville, Florida.

I am currently in my thirtieth year as the Senior Pastor of the

Crossroad Baptist Church (Independent) in Pensacola, Florida. I

was the Executive Director of the Florida Moral Majority in the

early 1980's. I was an active member of the local Christian

Coalition.

I have marched and protested against abortion clinics. I have led

several pro-life rallies and even led our church to construct A

Memorial To Aborted Babies

(http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/abortion_crosses.html). I have

conducted small and large (some drawing crowds numbering in the

thousands) pro-life, pro-family rallies and meetings in the

Pensacola area and in many towns and cities across the state of

Florida.

When Ronald Reagan was running for President, I helped Dr. Jerry

Falwell register more than fifty thousand new conservative voters

in my state. I have attended White House functions with former

President Reagan and former Vice President George H.W. Bush.

I supported and defended Chief Justice Roy Moore and his fight to

display a Ten Commandments monument at a pro-Ten

Commandments rally in Montgomery, Alabama and even on

national television.

I am an annual member of the National Rifle Association and a life

member of Gun Owners of America. I have been the featured

speaker at several pro-Second Amendment rallies.

No one can honestly question my commitment to pro-life, pro-

family, conservative causes. That being said, the Religious Right,

as it now exists, scares me.

For one reason, on the whole, the Religious Right has obviously

and patently become little more than a propaganda machine for the

Republican Party in general and for President G.W. Bush in

particular. This is in spite of the fact that both Bush and the

Republican Party in Washington, D.C., have routinely ignored and

even trampled the very principles which the Religious Right claims

to represent.

Therefore, no longer does the Religious Right represent

conservative, Christian values. Instead, they represent their own

self-serving interests at the expense of those values.

It also appears painfully obvious to me that in order to sit at the

king's table, the Religious Right is willing to compromise any

principle, no matter how sacred. As such, it has become a hollow

movement. Sadly, the Religious Right is now a movement without

a cause, except the cause of advancing the Republican Party.

Beyond that, the Religious Right is actively assisting those who

would destroy our freedoms. On the whole, the Religious Right

comports with those within the Bush administration and within the

Republican Party who, in the name of "fighting terrorism," are

actually terrorizing constitutional protections of our liberties.

The Religious Right offered virtually no resistance to the creation

of the Department of Homeland Security, the passage of the Patriot

Act, or the recently created position of National Intelligence

Director. Neither did the Religious Right offer even a whimper of

protest as President Bush and Republicans in Congress created a

first-ever national ID card in the new intelligence bill, which eerily

has more in common with early Twentieth Century German and

Russian intelligence institutions than anything envisioned by

America's Founding Fathers.

Another disconcerting feature of today's Religious Right is its

attempt to Christianize political entities which it supports and to

demonize political entities which it opposes. This trend is

especially scary.

When people are told that they are voting "Christian" by voting for

Republican Party candidates, it is being intimated that they are

voting non-Christian by voting for any other candidate. This is not

only silly on its face, it is downright dangerous!

I don't remember anyone saying people voted "Christian" when

they elected the outspoken Christian candidate, Jimmy Carter,

President. Yet, Carter, in his personal life, demonstrated as much,

if not more, Christianity than does George W. Bush. If you recall,

Carter even taught Sunday School in a Southern Baptist Church

while President.

However, in spite of the fact that President Bush and the

Republican Party in Washington, D.C., have repeatedly supported

copious unchristian (not to mention unconstitutional) programs and

policies, Christians act as if Bush and his fellow Republicans have

ushered in the Millennial Kingdom.

More than that, the Religious Right appears to believe that G.W.

Bush is the anointed vicar of Christ. But instead of wearing the

garb of a religious leader, he wears the shroud of a politico and a

military commander-in-chief.

As such, in the minds of the Religious Right, Bush's war in Iraq is

a holy crusade. America is fast taking on the shape of the old Holy

Roman Empire and President Bush is quickly morphing into a

modern day Caesar.

The willingness of the Religious Right to give President Bush

king-like subservience is easily seen in the way they demonize

anyone who dares to oppose him. This is very unnerving.

Are we heading for a modern day religious inquisition, this one led

not by the Catholic Church but by the Religious Right? Are we

witnessing the type of marriage between Church and State that

America's founders originally feared?

I used to believe that liberals were paranoid for being fearful of

conservative Christians gaining political power. Now, I share their

trepidation.

Of course, the sad truth is, neither George W. Bush nor the

Republican Party in Washington, D.C. represents genuine

Christian or even conservative principles. If they did, they would

take their oaths to the Constitution seriously and then neither

liberals nor conservatives would have anything to fear, for the U.S.

Constitution protects the rights and freedoms of all men.

Unfortunately, when the seed of Bush's unconstitutional policies

come to fruition, it will produce large scale fallout economically,

socially, and politically. And sadder still will be that, instead of

blaming Bush's infidelity to constitutional government and

conservative principles, people will blame Christianity and

conservatism itself. The result of this miscalculation will doubtless

be a massive tide of support for more and greater unconstitutional

government, but only under a different name.

C Chuck Baldwin

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[amor]

WARNING TO ALL

In accordance with our new board policy, if this thread turns out to be Discussion regarding the IBS or the new Bible specifically printed for the United States Army if fine as long as it does not turn into a political conspiracy and/or attack on the current adminstration.

Therefore, feel free to discuss within the Terms of Service.

Be Blessed,

Wayne

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What is wrong with attacking the current, or any other American administration, or those that hold power in any other part of the world. Afterall those holding political power are often the subject of direct criticism within the Bible, that presumably is the same even in this version with the fancy cover.

[Guest yod]

Amor, I think the point is that we should be able to discuss factual information without it being an "attack" on anyone. This is not a move to censor as much as it is a move to civility. For the last year we have had many acrimonious and unnecessary fights over political differences and most of those were started by fallacious conspiracy theories...and posted without any investigation of the veracity.

The conspiracy threads which were completely unverifiable were only a small percentage of them....the rest were outright lies.

It is actually for THIS reason that you have seen christians rallying around the President. I'm not especially fond of any politician but when I see liberals who hate God going to such desparate lengths to smear the character of a man who professes faith in Jesus, then I feel like I've personally been attacked. You can blame the Bush-haters for making us "circle the wagons" around Bush. We take this hatred of all things christian and/or righteous very personally.

Now...about this article;

Beyond that, the Religious Right is actively assisting those who

would destroy our freedoms. On the whole, the Religious Right

comports with those within the Bush administration and within the

Republican Party who, in the name of "fighting terrorism," are

actually terrorizing constitutional protections of our liberties.

We have a catch 22 here. Our laws are made for our citizens. If we give the same civil rights that American citizens have to foreigners who sneak into the country to destroy us, then we are dead already.

If we can't recognize that this is a special situation (As we have done in ALL past wars) then our federal beaurocracy will give our enemies plenty of places to hide.

And again....if the liberals showed any consistancy for protecting the civil rights of christians they'd have more credibility when being critical of the ONLY plan that has been put forth.

The Religious Right offered virtually no resistance to the creation

of the Department of Homeland Security, the passage of the Patriot

Act, or the recently created position of National Intelligence

Director.

Why should we? These things are necessary for the times we are in. As long as liberals don't control these departments I'm not afraid. The Patriot Act has a shelf life and must be voted on regularly by Congress to continue. When the need for it is gone, then it will be gone.

Another disconcerting feature of today's Religious Right is its

attempt to Christianize political entities which it supports and to

demonize political entities which it opposes. This trend is

especially scary.

The only demonizing I've seen is from the liberal side. Christians oppose the gay agenda, the liberal agenda, the Hollywood agenda....and we beat them fair & square. They should stop the whining.

When people are told that they are voting "Christian" by voting for

Republican Party candidates, it is being intimated that they are

voting non-Christian by voting for any other candidate. This is not

only silly on its face, it is downright dangerous!

Is there a single candidate on the Democrat or Green Party or Libertarian platform who shares our values? Please name ONE!

On the other hand, there ARE many christians who got involved at the grass roots level of the Republican Party during Pat Robertson's run in 1988 and have risen through the ranks. They would not be allowed in the "other" parties. Whose fault is that?

Is it so wrong that we want to vote for the candidate who most closely mirrors our world view?

I don't remember anyone saying people voted "Christian" when

they elected the outspoken Christian candidate, Jimmy Carter,

President. Yet, Carter, in his personal life, demonstrated as much,

if not more, Christianity than does George W. Bush. If you recall,

Carter even taught Sunday School in a Southern Baptist Church

while President.

This should be proof that christians aren't voting for religious reasons. Carter was a bumbling oaf who embarressed America in Iran and caused 22% inflation while letting our military crumble and giving away the Panama Canal. What a disaster!

As such, in the minds of the Religious Right, Bush's war in Iraq is

a holy crusade. America is fast taking on the shape of the old Holy

Roman Empire and President Bush is quickly morphing into a

modern day Caesar.

Bush is addressing a serious problem which is unprecedented in world history.

I don't agree with every small decision but overall he's got the right idea...and since he has more information and resources than Chuck Baldwin or you, I will trust his motives and decisions until such time as they are proven to be wrong. Your opinion is not proof, btw.

Are we heading for a modern day religious inquisition, this one led

not by the Catholic Church but by the Religious Right? Are we

witnessing the type of marriage between Church and State that

America's founders originally feared?

No.

Those are ridiculous assertions

[Fr Chuck]

I recieved a small pocket bible from the military back in the early 70's. It had a special cover doen for them. I am not sure who paid for them, but we were given them during a specific stage of our training.

While I prefer the KJ bible, if we are putting bibles into the hands of our military, that is a very good thing.

[other one]

Maybe I missed something here, but I didn't see anywhere we posted what the military is actually putting into those bibles and what might or might not be different.

If this was posted will someone point out exactly what it is, and if not please tell me how we can be having a serious discussion about it. If we don't know what they are actually doing, then we don't know if it is bad or good. You all know my trust level is not very high these days, but there is so much 'stuff' floating around these days it is hard to have any kind of discussion about these things at all.

help me understand what where and why please......

[Guest antlerchef1]

how did the mentioning of the "military bible" turn into a Dem. Rep. Ind. debate? I served in the US Army and recieved a small pocket Bible and the only thing different was the cover. Inside the Word of God, plain and simple! Oh, to fuel the fire I'm a Democrat and a Christian

[WayneB]

Wayne, you scare me, as people such as yourself demand blind obedience and a lack of critical thinking when it come to the Bush White House.

How do I "scare you" when you don't even know me? You have draw a conclusion based on one post? Is that the "critical thinking" that you refer to?

No, we do NOT demand blind obedience BUT the owner of this discussion board has pulled the plug on all conspiracy theories. There are plenty of places on the web for such discussions. This is not the place to have those discussions. Now, how does that scare you? (rhetorical question)

Please read George Whitten's policy on posting and the Terms of Service, both of which are quite reasonable.

Be Blessed,

Wayne

[WayneB]

What is wrong with attacking the current, or any other American administration, or those that hold power in any other part of the world. Afterall those holding political power are often the subject of direct criticism within the Bible, that presumably is the same even in this version with the fancy cover.

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That's the point. The word "attack" is the key here, which means "To set upon with violent force." or "To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner." I do not see any situation where the brethren should "attack" anyone! Violet force? Hostile manner?

Attacking any adminstration or person is never appropriate and will no longer be tolerated on these discussion boards.

Discussing issues and problems with any adminstration is completely acceptable as long as we do so reflecting good FRUIT, stick to the facts, stay away from "conspiracies" and reflect the Lord's glory in our speech.

I have yet to see an "attack" that edified the Body; the discussions ALWAYS end with the saints losing their saltiness.

Matthew 5

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[Guest yod]

Maybe I missed something here, but I didn't see anywhere we posted what the military is actually putting into those bibles and what might or might not be different. 

If this was posted will someone point out exactly what it is, and if not please tell me how we can be having a serious discussion about it.  If we don't know what they are actually doing, then we don't know if it is bad or good.  You all know my trust level is not very high these days, but there is so much 'stuff' floating around these days it is hard to have any kind of discussion about these things at all.

help me understand what where and why please......

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Here is what Peacock said when asked directly that same question

Until -- and if -- the US Special Operations Command honors a Freedom of Information Act request that I have submitted, I cannot tell you which Pentagon Passages the new Bibles will contain. Despite this, in the meantime I find it baffling that thus far all responses on this board have taken a "so what"" approach to this latest, obvious attempt by the Bush administration to co-opt, manipulate and distort our Lord's message.

translation: Peacock doesn't have any idea what, if any, "DoD images" will be added to these newly printed bibles...or how they will be used......or even where they might be placed.....or even what images they are.

There is nothing but a statement saying that somes "DoD images" will be in these new bibles....and he's sure that it's a bad thing

[WayneB]

how did the mentioning of the "military bible" turn into a Dem. Rep. Ind. debate?   I served in the US Army and recieved a small pocket Bible and the only thing different was the cover. Inside the Word of God, plain and simple! Oh, to fuel the fire     I'm a  Democrat and a Christian  

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Good point brother. The problem with this thread? The original poster was attempting to present a false witness and speak wrongly that some major conspiracy exists between the current adminstration and the International Bible Society in printing militaristic Bibles for the U.S. Army. We no longer allow these silly "conspiracy" arguments here at Worthy.

I too served in the United States Army and regret that I was never offered a Bible when I served. I think it is awesome that the International Bible Society publishes NIV Bibles (and yes, I prefer NASB) for the Military, Policemen, Firemen, Medical Services and other professions. The original poster wants us to believe that IBS changed the Word of God. I have not seen that and therefore question his intentions here.

Be Blessed,

Wayne