Death, Hades and the lake of fire?

[Willa]

There is no purgatory or second chances. The souls of the dead in Christ are immediately in His Presence upon "death". Their bodies return to dust until the resurrection when they will receive a spiritual body like Christ's. Their names are written in the Lamb's book of Life and the second death has no power over them.

The souls of those without Christ stay in the place of the dead--sheol, hades,--until the great white throne judgement when they will be judged according to their works. They don't linger around as ghosts either. Those who have rejected Christ will go to the lake of fire.

[missmuffet]

 

 

 

You are right.Hades is just a waiting place now where unbelievers are waiting for their final judgment at the Great White Throne Judgment.Hell is not occupied now.The unbelievers will be thrown into hell and the lake of fire after their judgment.

All unbelievers who are awaiting in Hades to be judged will be thrown in the lake of fire?

 

If they did not ask Jesus Christ into their life before they died and did not believe in Him then yes.We are given a choice while we still live to ask Jesus Christ into our life.The people who did not are now in Hades awaiting judgment.They will go to hell.I do not know if there are levels of punishment in hell.But it is all bad.That has been debated.Their are different levels of reward in heaven.Now is the time to repent and ask Jesus Christ into your heart and repent.You do not know what is ahead in any given second.

 

Thank you for your opinion. Are you asking me if I asked Jesus into my heart? I think you should know by the way I interact with others on Worthy.

 

No I am not.I am appealing to anyone who has not.

[Hall7]

Thank you everyone for your contribution to this thread. The reason behind this thread that I haven't mentioned, was to try to find out if people with good hearts who stay away from idols, don't reject Jesus but still don't believe in Him for whatever reason still go to hell. So I thought that maybe there was another place for them besides heaven and hell, I thought that maybe Hades was that place.
 
The Lord has showed me something tonight, I randomly opened the Bible to this:
Ezekiel 18
25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear, you Israelites: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26 If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin, they will die for it; because of the sin they have committed they will die. 27 But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life. 28 Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die. 29 Yet the Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just. Are my ways unjust, people of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?

30 “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!

[Hall7]

And then there is this:

 

1 Peter 3:18

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

 

 

And that, which shows that some people will be judged according to their hearts:

Romans 2

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

[missmuffet]

Thank you everyone for your contribution to this thread. The reason behind this thread that I haven't mentioned, was to try to find out if people with good hearts who stay away from idols, don't reject Jesus but still don't believe in Him for whatever reason still go to hell. So I thought that maybe there was another place for them besides heaven and hell, I thought that maybe Hades was that place.

 

The Lord has showed me something tonight, I randomly opened the Bible to this:

Ezekiel 18

25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear, you Israelites: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26 If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin, they will die for it; because of the sin they have committed they will die. 27 But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life. 28 Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die. 29 Yet the Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just. Are my ways unjust, people of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?

30 “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!

Anyone who does not believe in Jesus Christ the risen Son of God will go to hell.Even the sweet little grandma who has been a sweet little ole lady but she does not believe in Jesus will not be saved.

[Hall7]

Thank you everyone for your contribution to this thread. The reason behind this thread that I haven't mentioned, was to try to find out if people with good hearts who stay away from idols, don't reject Jesus but still don't believe in Him for whatever reason still go to hell. So I thought that maybe there was another place for them besides heaven and hell, I thought that maybe Hades was that place.

 

The Lord has showed me something tonight, I randomly opened the Bible to this:

Ezekiel 18

25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear, you Israelites: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26 If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin, they will die for it; because of the sin they have committed they will die. 27 But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life. 28 Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die. 29 Yet the Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just. Are my ways unjust, people of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?

30 “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!

Anyone who does not believe in Jesus Christ the risen Son of God will go to hell.Even the sweet little grandma who has been a sweet little ole lady but she does not believe in Jesus will not be saved.

I think that's up to God to decide. There's a difference between not believing in Him and rejecting Him.

[Hall7]

There is no purgatory or second chances. The souls of the dead in Christ are immediately in His Presence upon "death". Their bodies return to dust until the resurrection when they will receive a spiritual body like Christ's. Their names are written in the Lamb's book of Life and the second death has no power over them.

The souls of those without Christ stay in the place of the dead--sheol, hades,--until the great white throne judgement when they will be judged according to their works. They don't linger around as ghosts either. Those who have rejected Christ will go to the lake of fire.

Aah thank you for that, now it's becoming a lot clearer to me. I have a question tho, what is your opinion about the souls of those without Christ who will be judged according to their works, the ones who did not believe but at the same time didn't 'reject' Christ, say...such as a tribesman who had died without knowing Christ due to the gospel never made known to him. Do you believe that these types of people will go to hell?

[Hall7]

You are right.Hades is just a waiting place now where unbelievers are waiting for their final judgment at the Great White Throne Judgment.Hell is not occupied now.The unbelievers will be thrown into hell and the lake of fire after their judgment.

Bopeep, I almost gave you the solved mark for the answer to my question but the reason I didn't is because I don't completely agree with the last part you wrote (yet).

[Willa]

There is no purgatory or second chances. The souls of the dead in Christ are immediately in His Presence upon "death". Their bodies return to dust until the resurrection when they will receive a spiritual body like Christ's. Their names are written in the Lamb's book of Life and the second death has no power over them.

The souls of those without Christ stay in the place of the dead--sheol, hades,--until the great white throne judgement when they will be judged according to their works. They don't linger around as ghosts either. Those who have rejected Christ will go to the lake of fire.

Aah thank you for that, now it's becoming a lot clearer to me. I have a question tho, what is your opinion about the souls of those without Christ who will be judged according to their works, the ones who did not believe but at the same time didn't 'reject' Christ, say...such as a tribesman who had died without knowing Christ due to the gospel never made known to him. Do you believe that these types of people will go to hell?

We are told in scripture that everyone can see God in nature. Romans 1:19-20. His invisible attributes can be clearly seen--even His eternal power and Godhead, so they are without excuse. v.20 so although they knew God,, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were they thankful. Most become idolitors.

However, some like myself did worship God when I saw His power and splendor in His creation during a thunder storm when I was about 13. I had denied the resurrection when I was 4, stopped going to the liberal sunday school, and become an agnostic. But that night I saw God in nature and was overwhelmed with the beauty of His power when the streetlights were out and the lightning lit up the sky, revealing 70 foot trees bending under the wind and leaves whirling around my second story window. So I prayed, if there is a God, please make the lights go out again so I can see this again, and they did. Nearly 20 times they did when I prayed, which far exceeded the laws of probability. So I worshiped God and thanked Him. Some months later the Holy Spirit convicted me of sin. God granted me repentance and I confessed my repentance and faith to my friends.

So I am sure that all through time God could have reached others in the same way since no one had told me to do these things. I have heard stories of Him telling people in Muslim lands and India where to go to find a missionary where they were led to the Lord. When we obey the light given us, God gives us more light. There is mention of other godly people in the Bible who God honored, such as Melchizedek. I am sure there must have been others that go unmentioned. But we have to be silent where the Bible is silent, and trust our righteous and holy God. The things that most often keep people from repenting and coming to Christ are the love of their wicked deeds and their pride.

Romans 2 14, For when gentiles who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these--are a law unto themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts. But all obey imperfectly and so those who rely on the law/good works to justify them will be judged.

But in 4:3 Abraham believed God and it was accounted for him as rightousness. So all who relied on the loving mercy of the invisible creator God will possibly be treated the same way since we also are justified by faith.

All we know for sure is that in this day we must be born again. God's grace grants us repentance and faith in Christ, by which we are saved. We make Him our Lord when we obey the things that he puts on our hearts, such as baptism, restitution, confessing Him with out mouths, and reading the Bible.

[Hall7]

Thank you for sharing that Willamina, you have a very peaceful loving spirit.

Love in Christ.