WN: Syrian Christians sign treaty of submission to Islamists - Times

[Quantrill]

Would you rather them be slaughtered????

 

Yes, I would rather them not submitt to Islam and be martyred for their faith in Christ.   Why is that so strange? 

 

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Would you rather them be slaughtered????

 

Yes, I would rather them not submitt to Islam and be martyred for their faith in Christ.   Why is that so strange? 

 

Quantrill

 

they are living under the rule of Islam as the first century Christians lived under Rome.   The Muslims are not asking them to become Muslims, but to simply keep their faith to themselves.    If you have read my posts over the past ten years you should know that I am no friend to Islam.....    but to reality.

 

These people are not doing anything wrong by agreeing to the laws of the people in charge.   Islam, if it is adhering to it's own laws should actually lay down their lives to protect the Christians who have agreed to submit to the ruling Islamic law,they are not asking them to worship Allah.

At least they are not asking them to worship the emperor. 

 

However we will have to wait to see if those in charge actually follow Sharia..

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Would you rather them be slaughtered????

 

Yes, I would rather them not submitt to Islam and be martyred for their faith in Christ.   Why is that so strange? 

 

Quantrill

 

they are living under the rule of Islam as the first century Christians lived under Rome.   The Muslims are not asking them to become Muslims, but to simply keep their faith to themselves.    If you have read my posts over the past ten years you should know that I am no friend to Islam.....    but to reality.

 

These people are not doing anything wrong by agreeing to the laws of the people in charge.   Islam, if it is adhering to it's own laws should actually lay down their lives to protect the Christians who have agreed to submit to the ruling Islamic law,they are not asking them to worship Allah.

At least they are not asking them to worship the emperor. 

 

However we will have to wait to see if those in charge actually follow Sharia..

 

 

And did not the Christians under Rome die for their faith?   It doesn't matter if its under the emperor or under a false religion.  Either way, you keep your faith and accept your fate.

 

Sorry, I just got here, so I haven't read anything that you have said other than the past couple of days.

 

Well, those in charge are already obeying Sharia Law by making others submitt to them.  So Im sure they will continue that. 

 

Quantrill

[other one]

 

 

 

Would you rather them be slaughtered????

 

Yes, I would rather them not submitt to Islam and be martyred for their faith in Christ.   Why is that so strange? 

 

Quantrill

 

they are living under the rule of Islam as the first century Christians lived under Rome.   The Muslims are not asking them to become Muslims, but to simply keep their faith to themselves.    If you have read my posts over the past ten years you should know that I am no friend to Islam.....    but to reality.

 

These people are not doing anything wrong by agreeing to the laws of the people in charge.   Islam, if it is adhering to it's own laws should actually lay down their lives to protect the Christians who have agreed to submit to the ruling Islamic law,they are not asking them to worship Allah.

At least they are not asking them to worship the emperor. 

 

However we will have to wait to see if those in charge actually follow Sharia..

 

 

And did not the Christians under Rome die for their faith?   It doesn't matter if its under the emperor or under a false religion.  Either way, you keep your faith and accept your fate.

 

Sorry, I just got here, so I haven't read anything that you have said other than the past couple of days.

 

Well, those in charge are already obeying Sharia Law by making others submitt to them.  So Im sure they will continue that. 

 

Quantrill

 

the Christians under Rome died for their faith because they were demanded to worship the Emperor.....    no one is asking the Christians to worship Allah....    just to keep their Christianity amongst themselves...  this is completely different.   In our viewpoint it's not really right.....   but it is reality.

[ayin jade]

 

Would you rather them be slaughtered????

 

Yes, I would rather them not submitt to Islam and be martyred for their faith in Christ.   Why is that so strange? 

 

Quantrill

 

 

Easy for someone to say who is not at risk of being killed. Would you go there and take that stand?

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ayin jade

 

Of course, it is always easier to say.   That doesn't mean you don't say it.  Christians should know that whenever the world can it will persecute you to the point of death if it can.  And when that time comes as it has in the past with multitudes of Christians, then you take your place at the martyrs stake.

 

Why should I go over there?   I do not seek to be killed for my faith.  But if the time comes, neither will I turn away from it.  

 

One thing I am sure of, if you are not living for Christ, then if that time comes, then you certainly are not going to die for your faith. 

 

So, yes, easy to say, but true.  And how real is the faith of those who were not willing to die for it?

 

Quantrill

Edited March 2, 2014 by Quantrill

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other one

 

There were many reasons why Rome persecuted the Christians at various times.  The point is the Christians were obedient to the death.

 

It doesn't matter if islam is not asking the Christians to worship allah.  The Christians are submitting to islam in being silent about Christ when they should be witnesses.   See, they are willing to be silent and not a witness, thus it is no wonder they are not willing to die for their faith.

 

Right or wrong plays no role in this.   It is not different.  

 

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I do see a difference, but it's not worth arguing over.

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Acts 4:17-19 "  But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.  And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the  name of Jesus.  But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.  For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. "

 

Matt. 28:19 " Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.  Amen. "

 

I didn't see islam as an exception in there.  Did you?   The only difference is the lack of faith of those believers not willing to suffer for their faith.

 

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Edited March 2, 2014 by Quantrill

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I've studied islam now for a number of years and what you are proposing will get them all killed...   "All"

 

If that is what you are proposing I guess you can do that.....    but I would add that you can accomplish what you're suggesting without doing it in their face and getting folks killed in some very gruesome ways.

 

also keep in mind that the church was underground much of the time before the Edict of Milan legalized the church....