Spiral Galaxies: (A Challenge to the Paradigm?)

[Enoch2021]

I posted a portion of this topic on another Thread and all I got was Crickets, So......

 

 

According to Current Stellar "evolution" Theory:  Spiral Galaxies take only 2 to 3 turns before beginning to dissipate and lose their definition; therefore, any Galaxies beyond 10 to 20 Million "Light Years" should not reveal Spirals.

 

OK,  WHAT DO WE SEE?

 

We see Spirals everywhere including the Red Shift Desert (6-9 Billion "Light Years" away)....

 

 

 

 

 

Also, Most Importantly......

 

 

 

 

The Farthest Galaxies had to release their Light Long Long Long before the Closer Galaxies

The Further Galaxies did not have as much time to Spiral (Rotate and Twist their Arms)

The Closer Galaxies should have the most Twist!!

Why don't they!!   In Fact, It looks like the EXACT Opposite!  Can Anyone Riddle me that?

 

 

And then, BX442 Discovery in the Summer of 2012.  Had Astronomers around the Globe dropping their Monocles in their Tea Cups......

 

 

 

 

BX442 is 10.7 BILLION LIGHT YEARS AWAY!! :rolleyes:

 

 

This is Roughly 3 Billion Years after the "supposed "Big Bang" 

 

 

"The fact that this galaxy exists is astounding," said David Law, lead author of the study and Dunlap Institute postdoctoral fellow at the University of Toronto's Dunlap Institute for Astronomy & Astrophysics. "Current wisdom holds that such 'grand-design' spiral galaxies simply didn't exist at such an early time in the history of the universe." A 'grand design' galaxy has prominent, well-formed spiral arms."

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2013/04/the-first-spiral-galaxy-in-the-universe.html

 

 

Can you say:  "ahhh, Houston, we've got a Problem!!"

 

 

This is Tantamount to waking up tomorrow morning and discovering every Human on the Planet is between 20-30 years old!!  Which then leads to the obvious....

 

 

Where are all the Children?  and   Where are all the GrandParents?

 

 

 

Thanks, Have a Blessed Day.

 

 

 

 

[gray wolf]

We would need to update our hypotheses then, I should think!

[EnochBethany]

I posted a portion of this topic on another Thread and all I got was Crickets, So......

 

 

According to Current Stellar "evolution" Theory:  Spiral Galaxies take only 2 to 3 turns before beginning to dissipate and lose their definition; therefore, any Galaxies beyond 10 to 20 Million "Light Years" should not reveal Spirals.

 

OK,  WHAT DO WE SEE?

 

We see Spirals everywhere including the Red Shift Desert (6-9 Billion "Light Years" away)....

 

 

 

 

 

Also, Most Importantly......

 

 

 

 

The Farthest Galaxies had to release their Light Long Long Long before the Closer Galaxies

The Further Galaxies did not have as much time to Spiral (Rotate and Twist their Arms)

The Closer Galaxies should have the most Twist!!

Why don't they!!   In Fact, It looks like the EXACT Opposite!  Can Anyone Riddle me that?

 

 

And then, BX442 Discovery in the Summer of 2012.  Had Astronomers around the Globe dropping their Monocles in their Tea Cups......

 

 

 

 

BX442 is 10.7 BILLION LIGHT YEARS AWAY!! :rolleyes:

 

 

This is Roughly 3 Billion Years after the "supposed "Big Bang" 

 

 

"The fact that this galaxy exists is astounding," said David Law, lead author of the study and Dunlap Institute postdoctoral fellow at the University of Toronto's Dunlap Institute for Astronomy & Astrophysics. "Current wisdom holds that such 'grand-design' spiral galaxies simply didn't exist at such an early time in the history of the universe." A 'grand design' galaxy has prominent, well-formed spiral arms."

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2013/04/the-first-spiral-galaxy-in-the-universe.html

 

 

Can you say:  "ahhh, Houston, we've got a Problem!!"

 

 

This is Tantamount to waking up tomorrow morning and discovering every Human on the Planet is between 20-30 years old!!  Which then leads to the obvious....

 

 

Where are all the Children?  and   Where are all the GrandParents?

 

 

 

Thanks, Have a Blessed Day.

Well, 2021, I perceive that you are much more informed than I on such subject.

I have long thought that the interp of red-shift is presumptuous, just one possible explanation.  I find it edifying to gaze at God's glory (the heavens declare the glory of God) -- the most incredible & exquisite sights are in the sky. 

 

"I got crickets"? You got the best of me on that one; never heard it before.

 

Expression "faith vs science" is bogus.  For me proper object faith is the conviction that something is so based on the sufficiency of the evidence or on the obviousness of the self-evident.  Science is human knowledge, usually in the sense of human knowledge about the physical world.  Proper subjective faith is trusting the Lord Jesus primarily, then secondarily having a practical confidence about probable safety and behavior, as opposed to paranoia.  While the dictionary recognizes one meaning of faith now as belief without evidence, yet pistis the Greek term in the NT, does not have that meaning at all.

 

Thanks for a post I found entertaining.

[EnochBethany]

We would need to update our hypotheses then, I should think!

update your hypotheses & you lowpotheses.

[other one]

watch where your standing before you adjust your lowpotheses.  Never do it while you are walking or you might fall and break your arm...   VoE

[Guest]

We would need to update our hypotheses then, I should think!

 

 

Up

 

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,

the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,

so that things which are seen were not made

of things which do appear. Hebrews 11:1-3

 

Date

 

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: 

also he hath set the world in their heart, 

so that no man can find out the work 

that God maketh from the 

beginning to the end. Ecclesiastes 3:11

 

Now Ain't God

 

Then Job answered and said,

I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?

If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.

He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered? Job 9:1-4

 

Grand

 

Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.

Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.

Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.

Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without number. Job 9:5-10

 

[Enoch2021]

Well, 2021, I perceive that you are much more informed than I on such subject.

I have long thought that the interp of red-shift is presumptuous, just one possible explanation.  I find it edifying to gaze at God's glory (the heavens declare the glory of God) -- the most incredible & exquisite sights are in the sky. 

 

"I got crickets"? You got the best of me on that one; never heard it before.

 

Expression "faith vs science" is bogus.  For me proper object faith is the conviction that something is so based on the sufficiency of the evidence or on the obviousness of the self-evident.  Science is human knowledge, usually in the sense of human knowledge about the physical world.  Proper subjective faith is trusting the Lord Jesus primarily, then secondarily having a practical confidence about probable safety and behavior, as opposed to paranoia.  While the dictionary recognizes one meaning of faith now as belief without evidence, yet pistis the Greek term in the NT, does not have that meaning at all.

 

Thanks for a post I found entertaining.

 

 

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"I got crickets"? You got the best of me on that one; never heard it before.

 

Have your heard of:  Be kind to Dumb Animal Week?  Faster than a Duck on a June Bug?  So skinny you could Wind Surf on a Dorito?

 

I got thousands of them (most can't be written down or spoken  ).... Fringe Benefits and Courtesy of the US Military

 

 

 

Thanks for a post I found entertaining.

 

Thank You.  Hopefully it was Illuminating.

[EnochBethany]

 

Well, 2021, I perceive that you are much more informed than I on such subject.

I have long thought that the interp of red-shift is presumptuous, just one possible explanation.  I find it edifying to gaze at God's glory (the heavens declare the glory of God) -- the most incredible & exquisite sights are in the sky. 

 

"I got crickets"? You got the best of me on that one; never heard it before.

 

Expression "faith vs science" is bogus.  For me proper object faith is the conviction that something is so based on the sufficiency of the evidence or on the obviousness of the self-evident.  Science is human knowledge, usually in the sense of human knowledge about the physical world.  Proper subjective faith is trusting the Lord Jesus primarily, then secondarily having a practical confidence about probable safety and behavior, as opposed to paranoia.  While the dictionary recognizes one meaning of faith now as belief without evidence, yet pistis the Greek term in the NT, does not have that meaning at all.

 

Thanks for a post I found entertaining.

 

 

============================================================

 

"I got crickets"? You got the best of me on that one; never heard it before.

 

Have your heard of:  Be kind to Dumb Animal Week?  Faster than a Duck on a June Bug?  So skinny you could Wind Surf on a Dorito?

 

I got thousands of them (most can't be written down or spoken  ).... Fringe Benefits and Courtesy of the US Military

 

 

 

Thanks for a post I found entertaining.

 

Thank You.  Hopefully it was Illuminating.

 

Perhaps you mean, "I've got rickets."

[Enoch2021]

We would need to update our hypotheses then, I should think!

 

 

I have one....

 

They were All Made @ the Same Time and the "Light" thereof reached the Earth @ the SAME TIME before HE began "STRETCHING THE HEAVENS".

 

Can it be tested......NO

 

But it sure is compelling and parts (Literal Ones) are supported by THE WORD.

[gray wolf]

I don't know. How would we be seeing stellar events that happened long ago? Wouldn't the light be more uniform?