TWO comings TWO raptures

[ENOCH2010]

Tevans, the resurrection of Jesus, the resurrection of the old testament saints that rose with Christ and all the other resurrections that have happened can't be included in the first resurrection spoken about in Rev. because they were history when the book of Revelation was written. Why would John write prophecy about an event that had already happened. That wouldn't be called prophecy, that is called history. The pre-trib doctrine wants people to believe it is ok to add a resurrection to happen prior to the tribulation, so they can have their pre-trib rapture. The problem with that is the Bible says only 2 resurrections remain, the Bible says the first resurrection happens at the second coming, not sometime before the tribulation. So no pre - trib rapture. The second resurrection happens after the 1000 year reign, those are the only choices for a rapture, at the second or after the 1000 year reign.

[Montana Marv]

Tevans, the resurrection of Jesus, the resurrection of the old testament saints that rose with Christ and all the other resurrections that have happened can't be included in the first resurrection spoken about in Rev. because they were history when the book of Revelation was written. Why would John write prophecy about an event that had already happened. That wouldn't be called prophecy, that is called history. The pre-trib doctrine wants people to believe it is ok to add a resurrection to happen prior to the tribulation, so they can have their pre-trib rapture. The problem with that is the Bible says only 2 resurrections remain, the Bible says the first resurrection happens at the second coming, not sometime before the tribulation. So no pre - trib rapture. The second resurrection happens after the 1000 year reign, those are the only choices for a rapture, at the second or after the 1000 year reign.

Enoch

 

There are only two Resurrections.  A Resurrection for the Just, Secondly a Resurrection for the Unjust.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[ENOCH2010]

Your right Marv, the resurrection of the just, happens at the second coming, and the resurrection of the unjust, happens after the 1000 year reign

[Montana Marv]

Your right Marv, the resurrection of the just, happens at the second coming, and the resurrection of the unjust, happens after the 1000 year reign

You have no Scriptural Support.  For all are not included into the second Resurrection after the 1000 years;  The beast/AC and the False Prophet go into the the Lake of Fire before the 1000 years.  So there are at least two, if not three entries into the Resurrection for the Unjust.  The Fallen Angels also go into the Lake of Fire.  So since there is a minimum of two entries into the Resurrection for the Unjust; There then is a minimum of a least two entries into the Resurrection for the Just.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[ENOCH2010]

Like I said the pre-trib doctrine believers want to add a pre-trib resurrection for the pre-trib rapture to join. The problem still persists the only 2 resurrections remaining happen at the second coming and after the 1000 year reign. There is no pre-trib resurrection spoken about in the Bible, so there is no pre-trib rapture.

 

Now marv wants to add another second resurrection for the unjust after the 1000 year reign.   WOW !!!!!

[Montana Marv]

Like I said the pre-trib doctrine believers want to add a pre-trib resurrection for the pre-trib rapture to join. The problem still persists the only 2 resurrections remaining happen at the second coming and after the 1000 year reign. There is no pre-trib resurrection spoken about in the Bible, so there is no pre-trib rapture.

 

Now marv wants to add another second resurrection for the unjust after the 1000 year reign.   WOW !!!!!

Enoch

 

So when do the Fallen Angels go into the  Lake of Fire.  The A/C and the False Prophet go into the Lake of Fire before the 1000 years (Rev19:20).  So yes Scripture says so, Scripture does not support your man made Post-Trib theory.  So when does the killing stop; Why the rebellion after the 1000 years by Satan and the nations against Israel and the Holy City if all have received their Resurrected Bodies according to your theory (Rev 20::7-9).  Your doctrine is not sound.  Why did the those of the First Resurrection follow Satan.  Can you answer this million dollar question.

 

Why does Satan go into the Lake of Fire before those of the Great White Throne Judgment, yet after the beast and the False Prophet.?

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[tevans9129]

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[Guest Jesse]

 

 

 

There will be only two  resurrection one at Jesus second coming for the righteous  and the other after the 1000 years for the wicked to be judge

 

John 5:28-29King James Version (KJV)

 

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

 

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

Acts 24:15King James Version (KJV)

 

15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

 

Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV)

 

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

 

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

 

1.The first resurrection, only the ones in christ. After the test and passed.

2.The second resurrection, all the dead; the just and the unjust.The sheep and the goats.

   judged by the books.

 

jesse.

 

Dear Jesse the dead and alive in Christ are resurrected and caught up respectfully, where did the second set of just persons came from after the 1000 years ?

 

 

1 Thessalonians 4:14-18King James Version (KJV)

 

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

 

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

 

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

Justfiath.

 

I love questions.

 

1. At the second coming/resurrection. All in the truth,in the graves or alive, will be resurrected.

    The first fruits first. The rest of the dead in graves, and armageddon survivors will not be resurrected.

 

2. They will multiply during the thousand year reign, out side the square/kingdom.(rev.21:17).

    Only the chosen jews will be inside the square/kingdom(paradise for the jews). (A kingdom for the saints).saints will rule.

 

3.After the thousand years: The second judement. The resurrection of all people on earth, of all generations and all religions.

   Judged by their works,by the books.(not by Christ).

 

4.The sheep put on the right, and the goats on the left. The goats cast in the fire. The sheep changed into spirit.

5.All spirit now: The corrupted earth(physically), will be melted; and a new earth formed.

 

jesse.

[justfaith]

 

 

 

 

There will be only two  resurrection one at Jesus second coming for the righteous  and the other after the 1000 years for the wicked to be judge

 

John 5:28-29King James Version (KJV)

 

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

 

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

Acts 24:15King James Version (KJV)

 

15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

 

Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV)

 

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

 

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

 

1.The first resurrection, only the ones in christ. After the test and passed.

2.The second resurrection, all the dead; the just and the unjust.The sheep and the goats.

   judged by the books.

 

jesse.

 

Dear Jesse the dead and alive in Christ are resurrected and caught up respectfully, where did the second set of just persons came from after the 1000 years ?

 

 

1 Thessalonians 4:14-18King James Version (KJV)

 

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

 

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

 

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

Justfiath.

 

I love questions.

 

1. At the second coming/resurrection. All in the truth,in the graves or alive, will be resurrected.

    The first fruits first. The rest of the dead in graves, and armageddon survivors will not be resurrected.

 

2. They will multiply during the thousand year reign, out side the square/kingdom.(rev.21:17).

    Only the chosen jews will be inside the square/kingdom(paradise for the jews). (A kingdom for the saints).saints will rule.

 

3.After the thousand years: The second judement. The resurrection of all people on earth, of all generations and all religions.

   Judged by their works,by the books.(not by Christ).

 

4.The sheep put on the right, and the goats on the left. The goats cast in the fire. The sheep changed into spirit.

5.All spirit now: The corrupted earth(physically), will be melted; and a new earth formed.

 

jesse.

 

Who is a saint ?

 

Does not the righteous change into a spiritual body at Jesus second coming 

 

Why wait until the dividing of the sheep and goat ?

 

 

Are you saying the new city will be on the earth during the 1000 yrs ?

 

Thanks 

Edited August 20, 2014 by justfaith

[justfaith]

 

Like I said the pre-trib doctrine believers want to add a pre-trib resurrection for the pre-trib rapture to join. The problem still persists the only 2 resurrections remaining happen at the second coming and after the 1000 year reign. There is no pre-trib resurrection spoken about in the Bible, so there is no pre-trib rapture.

 

Now marv wants to add another second resurrection for the unjust after the 1000 year reign.   WOW !!!!!

Enoch

 

So when do the Fallen Angels go into the  Lake of Fire.  The A/C and the False Prophet go into the Lake of Fire before the 1000 years (Rev19:20).  So yes Scripture says so, Scripture does not support your man made Post-Trib theory.  So when does the killing stop; Why the rebellion after the 1000 years by Satan and the nations against Israel and the Holy City if all have received their Resurrected Bodies according to your theory (Rev 20::7-9).  Your doctrine is not sound.  Why did the those of the First Resurrection follow Satan.  Can you answer this million dollar question.

 

Why does Satan go into the Lake of Fire before those of the Great White Throne Judgment, yet after the beast and the False Prophet.?

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 Can you kindly tell me where it says in the bible that the people of the 1st resurrection followed satan ?

 

thank you