Federal Minimum Wage

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Yes My Friends

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[Eadora]

Hello

Edited January 5, 2005 by Eadora

[irishcowboy]

one of the reasons that people are not able to make a living working, ( this is for those that are working, want to work and willing to work and able to work ) for every handful that are willing and do put in an honest days work, there is a bushel basket full of people that are only there for the check.

for those that are supervisors, foremen, bosses, leadpersons, if we would weed out those not producing fruit, then those that are producing can be paid for the work they are doing and not just how much the possition calls for due to min wage laws.....

if the welfare program was working properly ( meaning only temporary use, to help people back on their feet, and not for living off of ) then there would be no need to have as much money coming from our taxes to support free loaders....

those that are unableto work, then we are to care for them, but i have seen many people collecting ssi disability, and then spend their day cutting wood and selling it, or bucking hay, or even working in the churches for free, tey could be earning a living doing what they are doing ( i think some people call it fraud ).... there are several people i know that are totally unable to work, one can not even sweep her own kitchen floor once a week, and can not get disability, and one i know that is getting it, works for cash, and goes fishing and hunting when he wants, and collects a check from the government for more then what i keep ( after taxes and tithes ) a month.......

we are told that we are not to be lazy, that we are not to be free loaders, that we are not to be slackards.......

if a person is poor, fine, are they working ? if yes, then i say help them ( this is where the church should be pitching in, not the government...

we have placed too much on the government that the churches should be doing.... now we have a government that is out of control, and virtually unstopable..... all because we have said let some one else do it, let some one else take care of the elderly, let some one else take care of the widows, let some one else take care of the orphans........ we have freely given up our freedom, and freely turned over rights and responsibilities to the government, and now people are in bondage to the government...... yes, bondage......

maybe we need to have tax payer reform.... so that we can reform the government..... it has gotten way tooooooo big

mike

[His son]

Raise wages, raise retail prices this has been going on for the 76 years of my life, and sent all of our industry over seas. This is how the money controllers take over countries. If this country would get wise, and lower wages, and wholesale, and retail prices at the same rate we could turn the tables on them, but those who manufacture are to greedy to want to do that because the more the rich have the more they want, and the more corrupt they get. This is why we need to get the True Christians, the circumcised in heart true believeres involved in the leadership in all areas, otherwise there is only one end as it is shown in The Bible. Money will continue to influence all political power, and will eventually destroy us all unless we know The Lord, and trust Him to provide what we need for our existance. .

[Eadora]

Greetings to His Son

I can agree with much of what you say here, that this worlds economic system is run by greed.

However I would respectfully disagree with one point that you make.

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Edited January 7, 2005 by Eadora

[Eadora]

[The Cover Story of May 31, 2004; from the well known and may I say reputable magazine BUSINESS WEEK.

This article is I feel most pertinent to the topic at hand. And though interest in this topic has definitely waned I feel this article a worthwhile post, The more I look at it the more it causes me to modify and try to fine tune my ideas.

The article Follows

Working...And Poor

In today's cutthroat job market, the bottom rung is as high as most workers will ever get. But the political will to help them seems a long way off

Katrina Gill, a 36-year-old certified nursing aide, worked in one of the premiere long-term care facilities near Portland, Ore. From 10:30 p.m. to 7 a.m., she was on duty alone, performing three rounds on the dementia ward, where she took care of up to 28 patients a night for $9.32 an hour. She monitored vitals, turned for bedsores, and changed adult diapers. There were the constant vigils over patients like the one who would sneak into other rooms, mistaking female patients for his deceased wife. Worse was the resident she called "the hitter" who once lunged at her, ripping a muscle in her back and laying her flat for four days.

Last month, Gill quit and took another job for 68 cents an hour more, bringing her salary to $14,400 a year. But like so many health-care workers, she has no health-care benefits from her job. So she and her garage mechanic husband pay $640 monthly for a policy and have racked up $160,000 in medical debts from their youngest son Brandyn's cancer care.

In New York City, Joseph Schiraldi, 41, guards one of the biggest terrorist targets in the world: the Empire State Building. For eight hours a day, he X-rays packages, checks visitors' IDs, and patrols the concourse. But on $7.50 an hour in the priciest city in the U.S., he's a security officer without security -- no pension, no health care, and no paid sick days, typical for a nonunion guard.

Bellingham (Wash.) day-care teacher Mandy Smith can't afford child care for her 6-year-old son, Jordan, on her take-home pay of $60 a day. Neither can commercial cleaner Theresa Fabre on her $8.50 an hour job. So her son, Christian, 9, waits for her after school in a crumbling upper Manhattan library where the kids line up five-deep to use one of two computers. The librarian doubles as a de facto babysitter for 40 or so other kids of the working poor.

Over the past year, the loss of lucrative white-collar work offshore has dominated news headlines, provoking economic anxiety among middle-class families who fear they may be next. But there's an equally troubling yet more often overlooked problem among the nation's working poor -- for whom the raises come in dimes, the sick days go unpaid, and the benefits are out of reach.

Today more than 28 million people, about a quarter of the workforce between the ages of 18 and 64, earn less than $9.04 an hour, which translates into a full-time salary of $18,800 a year -- the income that marks the federal poverty line for a family of four (table). Any definition of the working poor, of course, involves some blurry lines. Some, like Gill, who make just above the $9.04 wage, often bounce around the threshold with their chaotic hours, slippery job security, and tumultuous lives.

There's also the fact that about one-third work only part-time, and more than a third are 18- to 25-year-olds, who may still live at home but may eventually work their way up the ladder. Some perhaps moonlight with a second job. And others may have spouses whose incomes lift their families up. But most poor workers tend to marry people with similar backgrounds, leaving both to juggle jobs as janitors, health aides, and retail workers that don't raise them into the middle class.

Overall, 63% of U.S. families below the federal poverty line have one or more workers, according to the Census Bureau. They're not just minorities, either; nearly 60% are white. About a fifth of the working poor are foreign-born, mostly from Mexico. And the majority possess high school diplomas and even some college -- which 30 years ago would virtually have assured them a shot at the middle class.

TOIL AND TROUBLE

Now, though, most labor in a netherworld of maximum insecurity, where one missed bus, one stalled engine, one sick kid means the difference between keeping a job and getting fired, between subsistence and setting off the financial tremors of turned-off telephones and $1,000 emergency-room bills that can bury them in a mountain of subprime debt.

At any moment, a boss pressured to pump profits can slash hours, shortchanging a family's grocery budget -- or conversely, force employees to work off the clock, wreaking havoc on child-care plans. Often, as they get close to putting in enough time to qualify for benefits, many see their schedules cut back. The time it takes to don uniforms, go to the bathroom, or take breaks routinely goes unpaid. Complain, and there is always someone younger, cheaper, and newer to the U.S. willing to do the work for less. Pittsburgh native Edward Plesniak, 36, lost his $10.68-an-hour union job as a janitor when the contractor fired all the union workers to make way for cheaper, nonunion labor. So far, Plesniak has been able to dredge up work only as a part-time floor waxer. The pay: $6.00 an hour, with no benefits. "I feel like I'm in a nightmare," says the married father of three. "And I can't wake up."

What's happening in the world's richest, most powerful country when so many families seem to be struggling? And what can be done? There's no question that robust growth is a potent remedy: Recall that the full-employment economy of the late 1990s reduced the ranks of the working poor. Five years of a 4% jobless rate bid up wages across the board. That brought a healthy cumulative 14% pay hike, after inflation, to those in the bottom fifth between 1995 and 2003, when they averaged $8.46 an hour, according to an analysis of Census data by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), a liberal Washington research group. The share of the workforce earning subpoverty pay actually shrank eight percentage points, to 24% last year, or 5 million fewer than in 1995.

That's real progress, certainly. But it still leaves many workers earning less than what it takes to lift a family above the poverty line. In other words, the boom didn't last long enough to bring more people into better circumstances. Now, in the current recovery, there has been brisk growth again, as well as high productivity and job creation. But so far, wages at the low end haven't budged much. Many of today's economic gains are flowing to profits and efficiency improvements, and the job market isn't tight enough yet to lift pay for average workers, much less for those on the bottom. Of course, if the recovery continues apace, a strong labor market could bump wages up.

Perplexing, too, are signs that many jobs the working poor hold won't, over time, lead them out of their straits. Five of the 10 fastest-growing occupations over the next decade will be of the menial, dead-end variety, including retail clerks, janitors, and cashiers, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. What's more, while full employment in the 1990s may have brought higher pay for people like health aides and maids, the ladder up into the middle class has gotten longer, and they are more likely than in other periods to remain a health aide or a maid.

A 2003 study of 1990s mobility by two economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston found that the chances that poor Americans would stay stuck in their strata had increased vs. the 1970s. Given the economy's strong showing in the '90s, that's a concern. "If current trends persist, a greater and greater share of wealth will keep going into the hands of the few, which will destroy initiative," worries James D. Sinegal, CEO of Costco Wholesale Corp., which offers above-average pay and benefits in the retail sector. "We'll no longer have a motivated working class."

So although a fast-growing economy and full employment are necessary for powering wages at the bottom, they may not be enough in today's economy. To survive in waves of increasing global competition, U.S. companies have relentlessly cut costs and sought maximum productivity. That has put steady downward pressure particularly on the lowest rungs of the labor force, while rewarding the growing ranks of educated knowledge workers. In this increasingly bifurcated job market, workers who lack skills and training have seen their bargaining power crumble relative to those higher up the scale.

For one thing, globalization has thrown the least-skilled into head-on competition with people willing to work for pennies on the dollar. And a torrent of immigration, mainly poor rural Mexicans, has further swelled the low-end labor pool. Together, these trends have shoved many hourly wage occupations into a worldwide, discount labor store stocked with cheap temps, hungry part-timers, and dollar-a-day labor in India, Mexico, and China, all willing to sell their services to the lowest bidder. Against such headwinds, full employment offers only partial protection.

What's more, other traditional buffers don't help low-end workers as much anymore. While labor unions were largely responsible for creating the broad middle class after World War II, bringing decent wages and benefits to even low-skilled employees such as hotel and garment workers, that's not the case today. Most U.S. employers fiercely resist unionization, which, along with other factors, has helped slash union membership to just 13% of the workforce, vs. a midcentury peak of more than 35%.

GRAVITATIONAL PRESSURE

The federal minimum wage, too, long served as a bulwark against low pay by putting a floor under the bottom as the rest of the workforce gained ground. At $5.15 an hour, it remains 30% less than it was in 1968, after inflation adjustments. It hasn't moved in nearly seven years, victim of a divided political Establishment in which programs for a relatively powerless group often get jammed up in bipartisan gridlock.

Add to all this the fact that a college degree, the time-tested passport to success, is today less available to those without family resources. The cost of college has exploded, leaving fewer than 5% of students from bottom-earning families able to get that all-important diploma. The result: The pattern of low skills crosses the generations. Columbus Harris, 50, a $6.75-an-hour driver for the elderly in Pine Bluff, Ark., couldn't help his kids with college. So his middle son Christopher joined the Army to get an education. "I worry about the fact that a lot of the gains in educational attainment are concentrated among the youngsters from rich and upper-middle-class families," says Gary Burtless, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

There are no easy policy prescriptions for improving the working poor's prospects. Measures with any real impact are almost always costly and ignite political fights over priorities. Lifting the minimum wage by $1.50 an hour, for example, would boost the incomes of more than 10 million workers. A majority of the gains would flow to adult women over age 20, mostly nonunionized workers in retail, according to an analysis by the EPI. To support the wage floor over the long term, the minimum would need to be linked to some measure of national living standards, such as inflation or average wages, to keep many families from simply slipping back into working poverty after a few years. Yet trying to hike the minimum wage always sparks a monumental battle in Washington. That's just what's happening now, after Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D.-Mass.) proposed to lift it to $7.00 an hour.

Writing some new rules for globalization would shore up low-end workers, too. Some Democrats advocate linking trade pacts to labor rights, by, for example, requiring countries that want favored trade status to allow workers to form unions. The idea isn't to eliminate low-wage competition -- an impossibility, in any case -- but simply to blunt its sharpest blows, particularly on less-skilled, predominantly male factory workers. Many economists calculate that globalization has been responsible for about one-fifth of the decline in blue-collar pay since 1973. But just think back to the fight over NAFTA a decade ago to see how far such proposals might go in Congress.

Curbing the flood of unskilled immigrants, assuming it could even be done, also would ease some of the gravitational pressure on low-end pay. Slowing the pace of entry, or shifting the flow toward higher-skilled workers, would mitigate the stiff wage competition among everyone from janitors to sales clerks. Yet if anything, political momentum seems to be moving in the opposite direction, such as President Bush's proposals earlier this year to set up a temporary worker program.

A hike in unionization would also give the working poor some leverage over wages. The rule of thumb used to be that union workers earn about one-third more than nonunion ones. But the differential has ballooned with the collapse of pay scales at the bottom. Today, blue-collar workers in a union make 54% more than unorganized ones and are more than twice as likely to have health insurance and pensions, according to an EPI analysis. Because unions boost workers' bargaining power and help them win a greater share of productivity gains, any resurgence would give low-wage workers more clout to deal with the effects of factors such as globalization, immigration, and technology. Still, the U.S. isn't likely to alter the laws governing unionization any time soon. Employers have body-blocked such attempts since the late 1970s, arguing that profits and economic growth would suffer. Today, labor law reform still goes nowhere, snagged in the broader political deadlock that grips the U.S.

America's divisions surface only sporadically as a pressing issue. Senator John Edwards (D-N.C.) put them at the core of his Presidential campaign, castigating the "two Americas" divided into rich and poor. This prompted John Kerry to adopt a populist tone for a while. Some Democrats urged him to target policies perceived as unfair to both low- and middle-income workers, from trade pacts to tax cuts for the wealthy. Kerry still mentions these issues, but they're hardly a central plank of his platform. Of course, that could change if Edwards ends up joining the ticket. A recent poll found that 78% of voters care more about fighting poverty than they do about gay marriage. "The issue is sitting out there for a candidate to seize on, but voters want to hear new solutions," says Democratic political consultant Tom Freedman.

WHERE HOPE LIES

Still, historically, class-based appeals have had scant resonance in U.S. politics. In addition, there's little sustained outcry from the working poor themselves, who often are overwhelmed by their personal difficulties and politically disengaged. Only about 40% of them vote, vs. 74% of the investor class, according to the Russell Sage Foundation. "If you look at families in the bottom 20%, they are dropping out of the political system like flies," says foundation President Eric Wanner.

A few initiatives, though, have broad enough appeal to win support from both sides of the divide. Lawmakers from both political parties are struggling to devise ways to help the uninsured get health coverage. While they're split on this subject, too, nearly everyone agrees that something should be done. The Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), which covers poor kids, was established by Democrats and Republicans alike, though a lot of children remain uncovered. Any expansion, or a broader solution that involves expanding Medicaid, would help many working poor adults, among the most likely to need coverage.

Similarly, the 1996 welfare reform effort has brought a rough consensus today that Congress should help welfare moms with child care so they can work. Washington could broaden eligibility for child-care help to include more working-poor families, too. Richer educational loan programs would also help. Given the country's soaring deficits, though, Congress isn't inclined to devote big resources to such projects. One place to look for money might be in the tax code, but in an election year, the high-profile investor class and the organized elderly are likelier to get any new largesse than the working poor.

Government may be stalled, but some employers are stepping up, at least in small ways. A number of leading companies, including Bank of America Corp. and Marriott International Inc., have programs to aid their low-wage workers -- they offer small emergency loans or grants to employees who face sudden crises, help them with child care, or find creative ways to make their workdays more flexible. "Assuming employers have answered the question as to whether they're paying market-based wages and benefits, there are still a lot of other things they can do, some of them relatively low cost," says Donna Klein, president of Corporate Voices for Working Families, a business group in Washington that sponsored a recent study on programs for low-wage workers.

Still, even those who push above a poverty-level wage can fall into a trap. Between $7 to $10 an hour, they make just enough to start losing what little safety net there is, says Ron Haskins, a former Republican staffer who helped spearhead the 1996 welfare reform, now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. They often become ineligible for food stamps or child-care assistance, and the earned income tax credit starts phasing out for a single parent at $13,730. "For them, Horatio Alger does not apply," says Haskins.

Women, especially single ones, have the most difficulty. Often, their wages barely cover the cost of child care. Low-income women's pay is actually up since 1973, but they still average just $7.94 an hour, much less than their male counterparts. That's one reason the U.S. has the highest child-poverty rate in the industrialized world. "Our low-income mothers work twice as hard as those in any other industrial country -- but their kids are the worst off," says Syracuse University public policy professor Timothy M. Smeeding.

THE WAL-MART EFFECT

Lately, there's a new name for the downward pressure on wages: the so-called Wal-Martization of the economy. Most recently, the dynamic played out starkly in the five-month Southern California supermarket strike that ended in February. The three chains involved, Safeway (SWY ), Albertson's (ABS ), and Kroger (KR ), said they had no choice but to cut pay and benefits drastically now that 40 Wal-Mart Stores (WMT ) supercenters would be opening up in the area. The reason: Wal-Mart pays its full-time hourly workers an average of $9.64, about (a third less than) level of the union chains. It also shoulders much less of its workers' annual health insurance costs than rivals, leaving 53% of its 1.2 million employees uncovered by the company plan.

Now, after the strike, new hires will have lower wages and bear a much higher share of health costs than current union members, making health insurance too pricey for many of them, too. Eventually, many grocery jobs could wind up paying poverty-level wages, just like Wal-Mart's. "I used to load workers into my truck to take them down to United Way," says Jon Lehman, a former manager of a Louisville Wal-Mart who now works for the United Food & Commercial Workers Union. In his 17 years with Wal-Mart, he kept a Rolodex with numbers for homeless shelters, food banks, and soup kitchens. "They couldn't make it on their paychecks."

It's a prospect that deeply worries workers like Sherry Kovas. Over 26 years, she worked her way up to $17.90 an hour as a cashier at Ralph's Grocery Co. (KR ) store in the posh California enclave of Indian Wells. To Kovas, the Medici-like lifestyles of her customers -- the personal chefs, the necklaces that would pay her yearly salary -- never seemed so much an emblem of inequality as a symbol of what was possible. Now, though, after the banks foreclosed on some strikers' homes and the repo men hauled away their cars, there's already talk of grocery store closings in the area because of the new Wal-Mart supercenter up the road. "They say Wal-Mart's going to kill us," says Kovas, who fears losing the three-bedroom modular home that she, her five-year-old son, husband, and mother-in-law share. "But I'm 44 years old. I'm too old to start over."

The U.S. has long tolerated wider disparities in income than other industrialized countries, mostly out of a belief that anyone with enough moxie and hustle could lift themselves up in America's vibrant economy. Sadly, it seems that path is becoming an ever steeper climb. Strong recovery and vigorous growth will again get wages growing. But as a new phase of prosperity begins, it may be time for some added advantages for those struggling in a brutal global economyOtherwise, the outcome could be more polarization and inequality. The farther down that road the country goes, the harder it will be to change course.

Otherwise, the outcome could be more polarization and inequality. The farther down that road the country goes, the harder it will be to change course.

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Now that is a fair admission by a reputable and may I say CONSERVATIVE Business magazine.

It is my further understanding that a Republican Government in New York has recently chosen to raise the MINIMUM WAGE to $7.00. That seems to me another admission that the present rate is ridiculous.

Edited January 7, 2005 by Eadora

[Work in Progress]

one of the reasons that people are not able to make a living working, ( this is for those that are working, want to work and willing to work and able to work ) for every handful that are willing and do put in an honest days work, there is a bushel basket full of people that are only there for the check.

for those that are supervisors, foremen, bosses, leadpersons, if we would weed out those not producing fruit, then those that are producing can be paid for the work they are doing and not just how much the possition calls for due to min wage laws.....

if the welfare program was working properly ( meaning only temporary use, to help people back on their feet, and not for living off of ) then there would be no need to have as much money coming from our taxes to support free loaders....

those that are unableto work, then we are to care for them, but i have seen many people collecting ssi disability, and then spend their day cutting wood and selling it,  or bucking hay, or even working in the churches for free, tey could be earning a living doing what they are doing ( i think some people call it fraud )....  there are several people i know that are totally unable to work, one can not even sweep her own kitchen floor once a week, and can not get disability,  and one i know that is getting it, works for cash, and goes fishing and hunting when he wants, and collects a check from the government for more then what i keep ( after taxes and tithes ) a month.......

we are told that we are not to be lazy, that we are not to be free loaders, that we are not to be slackards.......

if a person is poor, fine, are they working ? if yes, then i say help them ( this is where the church should be pitching in, not the government...

we have placed too much on the government that the churches should be doing.... now we have a government that is out of control, and virtually unstopable..... all because we have said let some one else do it, let some one else take care of the elderly, let some one else take care of the widows, let some one else take care of the orphans........ we have freely given up our freedom, and freely turned over rights and responsibilities to the government, and now people are in bondage to the government...... yes, bondage......

maybe we need to have tax payer reform.... so that we can reform the government..... it has gotten way tooooooo big

mike

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ICAM!

[irishcowboy]

Eadora,

you kind of hit the nail there with Walmart......

there have been many communities that have attempted to resist the walmart corp coming in and placing stores in their communities,

there is one in Wichita, that faught it ( cant fight city hall thing ), no one in that community shops walmart, and dont want one in their community, they claimed that it would devalue their property for the dirty diapers and trash, and drink cups and other garbage being left on the lot and wind scattering it thru-out the community..................well.................. the community lost out, and there is now a walmart there with trashy lot, trashy neighborhood now and walmart does not send people out to clean the lot as you might think they should. and you can probably find several dirty diapers on the ground at about anytime..... the city didnt care about the residences....

walmart offered to move a store into a smaller town, telling them how it will boost their economy, and they refused, the city was contemplating it, but when they had a council meeting, the councel listened to the people this time, and they voted owalmart to stay out..... all the other shops in town are doing very well......

did you know that walmart starts a life insurance policy on its employees???

yea, they do, but not for the benefit of the employee, walmart is the bemeficiary of those policies, not the persons family.....

Walmart comes into a community, and keeps their prices super low, lower then anyone else, until, there is no competition and then the prices are raised up... as an example, with several differant stores having the DVD AND VHS on sale for the PASSION OF THE CHRIST, you might have seen it selling for a price of 15.00 up to 25.00 in walmart, if there was competition, it was 15, if there was not it was 25.......

walmart is trying to monopolize the retail market.....

walmart had already gotten its foot into the city of Derby Ks. one of the city counsel members was a v.p. / manager of walmart... there were other stores that wanted to get a store into Derby Ks, and were shot down because the city counsel voted it out, but there was actually a bit of misconduct/conflict of interest due to a higher up of walmart being on the counsel....

very nice work....

i have been staying away from walmart as much as i can, unfortunately, they have chased out enough businesses that they are the only ones in the area that are carrying certain items......that is until you need them...... they already have the spring cloths going in, and some people are still trying to get winter stuff....

another one i am trying to stay clear of, is TRUEVALUE..... sheesh, i can get my parts at about 1/3 the price at lowes then at truevalue.....

by the way,

walmart is no longer a "Made in USA" type of place, not since walt died.

mike

[JimR-OCDS]

Eudora, I don't disagree with what the article says, however one only has to look at what's happening in Europe, to see what happens when government mandates on minimum wages and employee benefits is law.

Germany and the Netherlands are on the verge of bankruptcy, because of liberal unemployment programs, which allows laid off workers to collect 70% of their salary, for an indefinite period of time. Many of these unemployed people, have been collecting for 3 years, never bothering to look for work, that doesn't pay what they make on unemployment.

Also, private businesses have been avoiding moving into Europe, because of the cost of doing business there. Heck, BMW, moved to the US, because labor cost are cheaper here than in Germany.

It's going to be very difficult for the US to compete against China and India, in the coming years. You have a low wage job market with a high work ethic standard, that we don't come close to.

My guess is that you will see protectionist type laws coming, which will cause more problems over all, than good.

The only way to compete against other nations is to be better and on top in technology. We can only do this with good education and good moral values, which promotes top quality people.

Edited January 7, 2005 by JimR-OCDS

[irishcowboy]

Mike, you said no one in Wichita shops at WalMart, that being the case how do they keep the doors open?

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sorry, you misread the statement, there is no one in the one community of wichita, there are several communities, some would not be caught in walmart. in other words, this one section of town had no use for a walmart being there except to bring other people in, the low side of the price of housing in that area would be 500,000 and higher probably closer to the million dollar level, where the normal price of housing would be closer to 60,000 and lower for other areas.... they did not want a walmart there......

how do they keep their doors open? well, they buy in such bulk that they can under sell anyone else in any community until they get the other peoples doors closed, adn then they raise their price up so that they can make a profit on it then, they can afford to have a loss for several years in one community in order to shut down other places of business.... once shut down, they can do what they want.

there are many in the walmart corp, that think that those that are working at walmart are only doing so to supliment their income, so they do not feel they need to pay more wage then they do, here they are making maybe 6 an hour.

so much for walmart. and to think they are also making money off their elderly employees too, when they pass on..... and none of that insurance money goes to the family... wow, what heart.

there is also a differance in "Made in USA" stuff.... some is not made in the United States, believe it or not... some is made elsewhere..... go figure.... cant even trust the lables....

some things with french designer lables are made in other countries using slave labor too.....

personally, i dont know believe raising the min wage would salve any problems or no, really do not feel they would, but only compound them.

mike