WAITING PERIOD/WAITING UPON GOD

[enoob57]

The initial truth of God 'IS'-> The Bible God possesses as His "God's Word" and that is the

seal of it's written format at the end of His Word to man- Revelation! What this means is

authority lies in Scripture alone and no where else... So satan wants to lead us from this

God given foundation to other... so in ignorance, culture, mental abilities, education,

whatever changes nothing that I have written above! It is the spirit of error that says

otherwise-> for God writes it this way:

1 Cor 3:9-15

9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building.

10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder

I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed

how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which

is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with

gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become

clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the

fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he

has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned,

he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

NKJV

As Paul is writing this in a letter to a church submerged in a really rotten, debased,

multicultural society and it is point on in this thread...

as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it

everyone, ignorant or learned, know that the foundation is of the greatest importance to that

which is to stand the test of time 'that which lasts'... and that foundation was in the written

letters of Paul's Work and others of N.T. canon.

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ

Then God uniquely clarifies that the foundation of His Son John Chapter One

'IS' in Christ Himself 'The Living Word' and the only representative of that Living Word is the

written Word combined with The Holy Spirit of God so that we build upon this alone. Not our feelings,

desires, ignorance, wants, etc. but built on His Word alone for God's expressed glory in His Son...

This is what Kwik is speaking to you about and if there is to be offense let be for the sake of His

Word and the lies that come against that foundational reality! Love, Steven

[Dak]

Jerry, I myself am not offended, but I do feel bad about the misunderstandings that happened on this thread.

Anyway, I just want to say that you are an inspiration to me also, Brother. And I am thankful that I've known you.

I realize now that your experiences with these voices and dreams are greater than my own, and so I am really glad that I've been able to help you. Also, I am excited to know you many years from now, when you have already cultivated your gifts.

From your post, am I right in assuming that you think God is calling you to be a pastor or a preacher? And that, because of your background and lack of eloquence, you think that you cannot do it, and that you do not have what it takes?

And yet a pastor tells you that you are a chosen vessel?

I will not talk much about it, but I will leave you with these passages from the Scriptures:

ESV > 1 Corinthians 1:26-31

For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."

ESV > 2 Corinthians 4:7-12

But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us. We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So death is at work in us, but life in you.

Know that, though I may have had a better education than you, in these respects we are much the same. I too am someone the world would consider weak; I too am a jar of clay. But God has still called me to his service... and despite the many odds against me, I have answered yes. May you do the same, Brother.

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[disciplehelovestoo]

2Pe 1:1-4

(1)  Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

(2)  Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

(3)  According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

(4)  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

this scripture confused me for years; i could look around and see that i did not have 'all things that pertain to life and godliness'; i suffered lack, fought against sickness, struggled with depression, etc.  then one day as i cried out to God for understanding, He reminded me of these scriptures:

 

Jer 10:23

(23)  O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

 

Psa 37:23

(23)  The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

 

Joh 10:27-28

(27)  My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

(28)  And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

 

i received spiritual rebirth when i was very young, and had tried to live an outwardly holy life, but found that the harder i tried, the more frequently i failed.  i had always gone to God with the big decisions, yet was never sure what He was saying to me; i craved a '5 sense' response from Him:  an audible voice, the appearance of an angel, a message written on my wall - but none seemed to come that i could recognize - i just couldn't hear from God as far as i knew from all reports except His revealed written word.  one day as i read my Bible, John 10:27 jumped out at me - i knew this must be true because the Master said it, yet my experience argued otherwise; i was one of His sheep, but did not believe i could hear from Him based solely on John 10:27; i was looking for external confirmation, and doubting that i could hear from Him until that conformation came.  i began to realize that i had heard voices, i had seen angels, and had seen messages on walls from Him - after i had made my own decisions - but even those things could be doubted - but what i had not done is to simply believe that as one of His sheep, i did hear His voice - and followed it.  His voice was in His word; not in an audible voice spoken to me by some preacher (although He does speak through preachers, they are fallible like me and i must have the confirmation of revealed scripture to recognize when He speaks to me through a preacher), or in the vision of an angel that could easily be the devil appearing that way as it could be an angel from God, or on messages written in graffiti on walls.  the subtle difference is difficult for me to clearly say in words.

 

i also saw that 'steps' were the focus of Jer 10:23 and Psa 37:23.  yes, i sought God on the big decisions that i had no clue about, but i had not sought His leading on the 'little' steps - the individual decisions i made each day;  i walked by my own sight according to my own understanding until i hit a situation that i  couldn't figure out in my head, and THEN sought His leading; by this time i was so focused on the situation that i couldn't perceive His leading even if He wrote it in the sky with clouds.  i saw that in order to hear Him about the big decisions that are always accompanied by potentially big consequences, that i would have to practice hearing from Him on the little things that seemingly had small consequences - things like how much toothpaste to put on my toothbrush, whether to go to work on the main road or take a side road, whether i should eat desert after a given meal or not, etc.  so i started practicing this, and found it to be VERY difficult.  but the more i did practice it, the more i began to realize that God would bring scriptures to my mind to confirm His leading; His revealed written word was the only sure confirmation that i had heard Him.  if i had not begun to strive to hear from Him in every decision while looking for the remembrance of scripture as confirmation that i had heard from Him (rather than use His word as a set of rules to follow according to my own understanding), i would have never learned how to perceive this method of confirming His leading.

 

it also occurred to me that since he had already given me all things that pertain to life and godliness, that the reason i had not received all of that was because i was for the most part ordering my own steps each day - i had failed to intersect with the blessings He had already placed in my future because i was 'walking around them' by not seeking His leading as a way of life, in every thing i do.  again, i am a long long way from remembering to seek His leading in the little decisions, but i have left where i once was, and have intersected with a number of major blessings that He gave me before the foundations of the world were laid.  i have never waited on God in that He needed to do something more to bless me, He had been waiting on me to seek His leading about each STEP in faith so that i would intersect with 'all things that pertain to life and godliness' that He had already placed into my future.

 

i realized that waiting on the Lord was nothing like waiting in line at the grocery store where i was idle, but was like  a waiter waits on customers in a restaurant.  waiting on the Lord means to strive to attend to Him, be focused on Him, be led by Him in all things.

 

and as i practiced this, the audible voices, appearances of angels, writing on walls - these things became more clearly recognizable as to whether they were from God or from my enemy.

 

[Jerry1023]

God bless you brother,

you have really been of a great help to me,

if i open up to you,

what i have been battling with,

you will pit for me,

it has not really been easy for me,

even my own pastor in the church were iam followshiping at the moment,

had called me one on one and told me that i have a call from God,

God have giving me many scripture in the dream,

that talks about calling,

my mother told me 14 years ago that a preacher told her that one of her son will be a preacher,

thank God he said one of her son,

we are five boys and a girl,

the spirit is indeed willing but the flesh is weak

I have many weak point,

I did not have the best of education,

Iam slow of speech,

I can't not speak eloquently,

Iam an introvert by nature,

Iam not the out speaking type,

I can't even stand in a public and speak,iam some how the shy type,

when i think of all this, i will become confused,

I use to watch all those preachers,

how they speaks good english,

my brother i still have a long way to go,

I lack self confidence,and ability to believe in myself,

despite all this,I always ask and pray to God,

for His will to be done in my life,

any thread i post here,

the mumber one reason, why i post it, is to learn,

iam eager to learn,to the glory of God.

He who knows it feel it.

[Hall7]

God bless you brother,

you have really been of a great help to me,

if i open up to you,

what i have been battling with,

you will pit for me,

it has not really been easy for me,

even my own pastor in the church were iam followshiping at the moment,

had called me one on one and told me that i have a call from God,

God have giving me many scripture in the dream,

that talks about calling,

my mother told me 14 years ago that a preacher told her that one of her son will be a preacher,

thank God he said one of her son,

we are five boys and a girl,

the spirit is indeed willing but the flesh is weak

I have many weak point,

I did not have the best of education,

Iam slow of speech,

I can't not speak eloquently,

Iam an introvert by nature,

Iam not the out speaking type,

I can't even stand in a public and speak,iam some how the shy type,

when i think of all this, i will become confused,

I use to watch all those preachers,

how they speaks good english,

my brother i still have a long way to go,

I lack self confidence,and ability to believe in myself,

despite all this,I always ask and pray to God,

for His will to be done in my life,

any thread i post here,

the mumber one reason, why i post it, is to learn,

iam eager to learn,to the glory of God.

He who knows it feel it.

You're doing good friend and shouldn't stress yourself out on what God's will is for you, it'll come naturally to you whether His will is for you to become a preacher or something else. We all have different gifts and can worship the Lord in many different ways.

Here's a little something I posted a while back:

 

 

The first thing we need to consider before we approach the Creator of the universe is our attitude. Jesus told the woman at the well, recorded in John 4, something profound in this regard. He states that those who wish to worship God MUST do so in spirit and in truth (John 4:24).

Many scriptures command that we reverence God such as Genesis 35:1, Exodus 15:1, 1Chronicles 16:29, Haggai 1:8, Mark 1:44 among several others. There are at least SEVEN types or ways of worshipping in scripture.

1-Praise and Thanksgiving

We can worship our Creator through a grateful declaration, either in public or private. This declaration can also be made through prayer (Ephesians 5:20).

A very special praise and thanking to the Lord took place when Solomon completed the temple, with voices and MANY instruments of music praising the God of heaven (2Chronicles 5:13).

2-Joyful Songs

We can worship our Maker through songs like the Psalms. King David especially called on people to make a joyful shout to the Lord and to come before him with singing on our lips (Psalm 100:1-2, see also James 5:13 and Colossians 3:16).

3-Dancing

King David not only offered sacrifices to God when the Ark of the Covenant was brought to Jerusalem, he also danced (1Samuel 6:12 - 14)! There was dancing for joy when the sea, through a miracle, killed Pharaoh and his army as they were pursuing the fleeing children of Israel (Exodus 15:20 - 21).

4-Observing the annual feast days of worship

Jesus observed the Feast of Passover during his entire ministry (Matthew 26:17). He also faithfully kept, as his disciples and family did, the Feast of Tabernacles (John 7:2, 10). The disciples even worshipped by keeping the Day of Pentecost after Jesus had died and rose from the grave (Acts 2:1).

5-Cheerful help to others

God especially loves those who help others not grudgingly or of necessity but out of a willing heart of service and love (2Corinthians 9:7, 8:1 - 2, Acts 2:44 - 45).

6-Using our spiritual gifts

We can, in a very real sense, worship God by using the natural and supernatural-given gifts he gave us to serve as many people as we can (1Corinthians 12:1, 4-7, see also Ephesians 4:7, 11-13, 15-16).

7-Be a living sacrifice

1 So then, my friends, because of God’s great mercy to us I appeal to you: Offer yourselves as a living sacrifice to God (Romans 12:1)

May you be richly blessed as you worship Him in "spirit and in truth" (John 4:24).

[Dak]

2Pe 1:1-4

(1) Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

(2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

(3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

(4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

this scripture confused me for years; i could look around and see that i did not have 'all things that pertain to life and godliness'; i suffered lack, fought against sickness, struggled with depression, etc. then one day as i cried out to God for understanding, He reminded me of these scriptures:

Jer 10:23

(23) O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psa 37:23

(23) The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

Joh 10:27-28

(27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

(28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

i received spiritual rebirth when i was very young, and had tried to live an outwardly holy life, but found that the harder i tried, the more frequently i failed. i had always gone to God with the big decisions, yet was never sure what He was saying to me; i craved a '5 sense' response from Him: an audible voice, the appearance of an angel, a message written on my wall - but none seemed to come that i could recognize - i just couldn't hear from God as far as i knew from all reports except His revealed written word. one day as i read my Bible, John 10:27 jumped out at me - i knew this must be true because the Master said it, yet my experience argued otherwise; i was one of His sheep, but did not believe i could hear from Him based solely on John 10:27; i was looking for external confirmation, and doubting that i could hear from Him until that conformation came. i began to realize that i had heard voices, i had seen angels, and had seen messages on walls from Him - after i had made my own decisions - but even those things could be doubted - but what i had not done is to simply believe that as one of His sheep, i did hear His voice - and followed it. His voice was in His word; not in an audible voice spoken to me by some preacher (although He does speak through preachers, they are fallible like me and i must have the confirmation of revealed scripture to recognize when He speaks to me through a preacher), or in the vision of an angel that could easily be the devil appearing that way as it could be an angel from God, or on messages written in graffiti on walls. the subtle difference is difficult for me to clearly say in words.

i also saw that 'steps' were the focus of Jer 10:23 and Psa 37:23. yes, i sought God on the big decisions that i had no clue about, but i had not sought His leading on the 'little' steps - the individual decisions i made each day; i walked by my own sight according to my own understanding until i hit a situation that i couldn't figure out in my head, and THEN sought His leading; by this time i was so focused on the situation that i couldn't perceive His leading even if He wrote it in the sky with clouds. i saw that in order to hear Him about the big decisions that are always accompanied by potentially big consequences, that i would have to practice hearing from Him on the little things that seemingly had small consequences - things like how much toothpaste to put on my toothbrush, whether to go to work on the main road or take a side road, whether i should eat desert after a given meal or not, etc. so i started practicing this, and found it to be VERY difficult. but the more i did practice it, the more i began to realize that God would bring scriptures to my mind to confirm His leading; His revealed written word was the only sure confirmation that i had heard Him. if i had not begun to strive to hear from Him in every decision while looking for the remembrance of scripture as confirmation that i had heard from Him (rather than use His word as a set of rules to follow according to my own understanding), i would have never learned how to perceive this method of confirming His leading.

it also occurred to me that since he had already given me all things that pertain to life and godliness, that the reason i had not received all of that was because i was for the most part ordering my own steps each day - i had failed to intersect with the blessings He had already placed in my future because i was 'walking around them' by not seeking His leading as a way of life, in every thing i do. again, i am a long long way from remembering to seek His leading in the little decisions, but i have left where i once was, and have intersected with a number of major blessings that He gave me before the foundations of the world were laid. i have never waited on God in that He needed to do something more to bless me, He had been waiting on me to seek His leading about each STEP in faith so that i would intersect with 'all things that pertain to life and godliness' that He had already placed into my future.

i realized that waiting on the Lord was nothing like waiting in line at the grocery store where i was idle, but was like a waiter waits on customers in a restaurant. waiting on the Lord means to strive to attend to Him, be focused on Him, be led by Him in all things.

and as i practiced this, the audible voices, appearances of angels, writing on walls - these things became more clearly recognizable as to whether they were from God or from my enemy.

:star: :star:

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[Dak]

Jerry, give me some time to compose my reply to you. I need at least one day.

Besides, I have some chores to do

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[Hall7]

I must say one thing though, sometimes it's best to not listen to anyone and instead listen to the Holy Spirit, because there is no confusion when it speaks to us. If there is confusion about the thoughts in our mind, it most likely is because they aren't spiritually discerned. No man can set your destiny, only God can. Although yes it is good to have brothers and sisters in Christ to help you on your journey, I've been helped by many on this site to put me back on the right track, and God will put people in your life to help you along that journey to everlasting life.

 

Personally, I believe we can learn something from everyone, and everyone keeps learning no matter what stage of spiritually they are in their lives. The hardest part is to learn how to lose the old self, sometimes we are so blind of our earthly flaws that it becomes hard for us to become humble. We all are equal as brothers and sisters in Christ, some have more knowledge of the walk of Christ but yet lack renewing of the old self, and others have less knowledge but are more spiritually discerned. No one is perfect, the hardest part is to admit that we are wrong about certain things at time, we must become humble, balanced and accepting towards eachother with the love of God within us...

[Dak]

I must say one thing though, sometimes it's best to not listen to anyone and instead listen to the Holy Spirit, because there is no confusion when it speaks to us. If there is confusion about the thoughts in our mind, it most likely is because they aren't spiritually discerned. No man can set your destiny, only God can. Although yes it is good to have brothers and sisters in Christ to help you on your journey, I've been helped by many on this site to put me back on the right track, and God will put people in your life to help you along that journey to everlasting life.

Personally, I believe we can learn something from everyone, and everyone keeps learning no matter what stage of spiritually they are in their lives. The hardest part is to learn how to lose the old self, sometimes we are so blind of our earthly flaws that it becomes hard for us to become humble. We all are equal as brothers and sisters in Christ, some have more knowledge of the walk of Christ but yet lack renewing of the old self, and others have less knowledge but are more spiritually discerned. No one is perfect, the hardest part is to admit that we are wrong about certain things at time, we must become humble, balanced and accepting towards eachother with the love of God within us...

I have had no church since I broke away from the Catholic Church about eight years ago; however, there have been indeed some people that God has placed into my life to help me in my journey. Most of the time, however, it has only been God and myself. Thus, I can honestly say that I am intimate with him, and that I know his voice very well. There had been much confusion, yes, especially in those first years as I was learning his voice and the faith to follow him, but it has become less and less and less....

This then is the main source of my confidence in my service: my close relationship with God, and all the knowledge that I've gained through that relationship. I would like it very much to be confident also in my knowledge of the Scriptures -- as many of you are, and as any minister of the Word should be -- but there have been many interruptions in my life these past years that prevented me from that goal. This then is still a struggle for me, but God is my help, and whenever it is needed, he reminds me of some Scriptures I could use. Also, he has given me the necessary books so that I could, with some effort, write and talk biblically.

I have no formal theological education -- I do self-study; I'm introspective and have no real interests in news and current events -- I read mostly stories and essays, and I watch mostly movies; and so sometimes being here in Worthy -- with these many people with their diverse talents and interests -- I do feel inadequate. In fact, I was having doubts about coming back here nearly two weeks ago, but God's voice was insistent, and so I did, and here I am, exactly right on time to help some people, and to stir things up again....

Like Jerry, I too am saying that I'm here to learn, and to further train myself, for this place is indeed a training ground for all of us. Someday I hope to be active posting in the other forums of Inner Court besides Worthy Q&A and General Discussion. Most of all, I hope to become active posting in the Outer Court.

I blog, and someday God might take me into the front lines amidst the lost and unbelievers, and so Outer Court is indeed the perfect place for me to ready myself for that eventuality.

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[Dak]

Jerry, I have so many things to say to you, and have been planning to write a long post as my reply, but then I realized that this thread is no longer the place for it. Your questions have already been answered, the misunderstandings dealt with, and though I would like to expound more on my answers to you, that would already be seen as teaching in a teacher-student format -- and that is forbidden on these boards.

And so for now I would just like to say to you:

ESV > Psalm 37:4-5

Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to the Lord; trust in him, and he will act.

God bless you, Brother!

By the way, I have a personal message for you. Check your messenger.

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